I fully understand and agree with the Frenchman's point about their not siding with us in a useless war.

Don't people realize how much that useless war cost France in terms of higher oil prices and lost contracts?

Americans, if they know what is good for them, will leave the French deals with Iran alone.

After all the French have given Americans a Statue. No reason not to give an aircraft carrier as an added bonus.

Uh, there are one or two differences between us and the French. They have screwed up every place they have ever visited. Americans have left one or two places better off.

Every culture has something about them people are always going to hate. Black people like to be loud and drink liquor, Irish people drink like hell, and mexicans like to sweat and sleep. French people just have alot of things about them that most of the world hates. The fact that an american keeps winning their race makes me chuckle, i could care less who wins it actually, just let it be anybody but a french person. I think this says it best "France is a beautiful country..just if all the french fucks would leave..." So the french will do what they do best, paint stupid shit, smoke, and smell bad. Let the US do all the hard work and when it's all said and done, let the french step up and try to take credit for it.

CSGuy,

Personally I find his use of DiHydrogen Monoxide (DHMO), to which he has OPENLY ADMITTED, to be more appalling.

For more about this alarming chemical, go to www.dhmo.org

Personally, I don't have any politically based views on the French. I just make fun of them because there's so much material there. The history of the French military is just too precious, the only General they had that was worth a damn was a friggin wop for chrissake! Then you have the non-bathing, the limp-wristed chain-smoking, the hairy pits, the guys wearing berets and leather loafers; it's like shooting fish in a barrel. If everyone didn't take themselves so seriously, this place should would be a lot more fun.

Why everyone beating on the french, i mean, after all, they conquered England, Insinuated themselves into Scottish and English Kingships, invented the organised killing of rich dudes so that other rich dudes could do their thang....
so, my point, America kills rich dudes so they can do their thang(oh, no wiat, they kill the rich dudes' servants, but party and dine with the rich dudes...), and get modern kingships by weedling in. So french history==American History in a lot of ways, and dude, Louisiana, Florida, Mississipi et al , well, are kinda french, so are they un-american? So like, are cajuns surrender monkeys? Are the Scots surrender monkeys? or the English?
We have a lot to thank France for, like Hitler, Croissants and Racism.
Or wait, no, we dont, Hitler was a creation of the US (Versailles, Edward Bernais etc.)
Croissants are polish i heard,
And Racism, well the romans were pretty good at that, so...
Yeah, F**K The French
Go Team!

The Authorities also found an arse and an elbow, but were unable to differentiate effectively.

GAH! A French sympathizer!

We bred that filthy French blood out of the highland scots years ago!

Personally I find his use of DiHydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)

DHMO is a scourge on our world and must be elliminated!

Did you see the episode of Bullshit! where they had a girl go around some environmentalist rally and get hundreds of people to sign a petition to ban DHMO? Freakin' hilarious!

As I have said on other blogs, France has the size, population, and economy around the size of some US states. I care about as much about what France thinks as I do about what Californians think. Well, less, actually, since Californians can vote and make an impact on politics here.

"surrender monkeys, wearing berets, cheese eating, spineless, schemeing " that show how your are open minded. That s like i say all americans are fat asses eating donuts while watching a stupid TV show and belonging to the KKK. USA is not only "bowling for a colmbine" "supersize me" ...
That s stupid racisme.
I admit that someone can dislike a country, but i think that his opinion may be better constructed ( if this person is dumb i understand that he can t have better argument)
Zahubu who asked the question , asked the opposite question on a french forum and the result was different and without this kind of primary racism...
When you say french ppl dont care about USA, it s wrong because we care about all countries. In exemple in school we learn foreign languages ( i try to speak 3 like lot of my friend ) - we learn phylosophie ... We try too open our mind. You may try too.
The fact that we are a little country with less power than you seems to be a reason for lot of you to be disdainfull against us... So, USA is the most powerfull nation in da world... It is a reason to be disdainfull again all da world? Italy, ireland, viet nam uragay , congo etc have less power than france, but i dont say they are stupid ppl without importance.
About the story of a debt of one part over the other... thats bullshit. None of our country have a debt.
If some ppl here have a brain and is not a stupid racist perhaps he can discuss without insults...

Italy, ireland, viet nam uragay , congo etc have less power than france

And we are not denigrating them. Any ill feelings we have for France are not because they are weak, it is because they are weak and spineless but insist on imposing their will on us.

"weak and spineless" i hoped you could argue better. Lot of my friends have gone in USA in school exchange and all told me that at 18 years old in school you learn what we learn at 15 ...
Weak... in wich sens ? mind, constitution??? argue pliz ( if you can...)

"but insist on imposing their will on us" - We dont wanna impose our will. You asked us if we agree with a war. we said no ... It s look like more it s you that tried to imose your will on us. Diplomacy is made of conflict of influence. USA do tha same. Perhaps the the difference between congo and france is that we have a history that allow us to talk to the world (and whatever you say the nuclear weapon and a permanent sit in ONU and a major influence in the europe of 25). Not giving orders, but trying to convice other that our opinion is the right one. When our have an opinion dont you try to convice the personn in front of you ( or you prefere hit him ?).

"weak and spineless" i hoped you could argue better. Lot of my friends have gone in USA in school exchange and all told me that at 18 years old in school you learn what we learn at 15 ...
Weak... in wich sens ? mind, constitution??? argue pliz ( if you can...)

"but insist on imposing their will on us" - We dont wanna impose our will. You asked us if we agree with a war. we said no ... It s look like more it s you that tried to imose your will on us. Diplomacy is made of conflict of influence. USA do tha same. Perhaps the the difference between congo and france is that we have a history that allow us to talk to the world (and whatever you say the nuclear weapon and a permanent sit in ONU and a major influence in the europe of 25). Not giving orders, but trying to convice other that our opinion is the right one. When our have an opinion dont you try to convice the personn in front of you ( or you prefere hit him ?).

Weak... in wich sens ? mind, constitution??? argue pliz ( if you can...)

Political and military might.

weak : nuclear submarines. one permanent sit at ONU, major influence in CEE (europe of 25) - and if we were so unsignificant, why asking us our help , why so much talk about our opinion, why trying to imose your point of view with some trade embargo or others political mesure, why so much talk in newspapers. Lot of litlle country didnt agree with you and no such noise with them.
With short post like the last one we can not really discuss, perhaps cant you give good exemples.
I insist one more time one the fact that when a friend made a mistake when try to convice him that its an error. That s not what i call iposins our point of view.

"Lot of my friends have gone in USA in school exchange and all told me that at 18 years old in school you learn what we learn at 15 ...

The question answers itself. It doesn't even begin with Iraq. We've heard for years how America is an afront to French culture, about how you have to protect your language from being corrupted by Americanisms, and on and on.

I have nothing against you personally, but I have a feeling I am a lot older than you, and I have seen French elitist indignance in the international press all my life. You live in a very haughty, self-important, and fairly xenophobic little nation. A nation whose historical imperialism has caused a lot of ills in the world in the last few generations, I might add.

France is like the celebrity that thinks that everybody should listen to him on politics because of his celebrity status.

"France is like the celebrity that thinks that everybody should listen to him on politics because of his celebrity status."
Not completly wrong. But didnt you think that our history give us a little more experience? USA have only 2 centurys... You are a young contry.

@bakerstreet: "We've heard for years how America is an afront to French culture, about how you have to protect your language from being corrupted by Americanisms, and on and on. " it s not (only) elitism and all you say.My point of view through an exemple: a small part of france call bretagne, have a very special culture, very intersting and beautyfull, with a language specific( i could talk too of corse, pays basque ...). They try to keep alive their traditions. Can we say they are eliste or all you say? No , i didnt think so. They only try to preserve their culture, because it s would be very bad that this tradition fall dawn. I m sure that their is state in usa that have tradition or specific languages that they try to preserve, no ?
"xenophobic" : have you come in paris? u gonna see it s a melting pot too and we dont have green card and dont send mexican ppl at war promising them to giving them american nationnality... I dont think you can give us lesson on xenophobia.
"elitist indignance in french press": you seem to have a mind more open than other ppl here, so try to take my point of view when i read american or english press: u gonna see that the tittle are different for sure but not better: i dont think that an important newpaper treating of diplomacy can begin his article with :"the frogs ( or cheese eater ) ... " That s so low ...
"A nation whose historical imperialism has caused a lot of ills in the world in the last few generations, I might add." I wouldn t talk about this part because i think our both country did or have done bad things... ( who assassinated an south american president (CIA) - who gave the power at ben laden ( CIA) , who dont want to give AIDS medication formul to africa, who exterminated the indians natives ... )and i dont remember all the exemple i have read. I m young but i can see than my country had and have made mistake, u are older, can you say that your country have done and do errors?
( forgive my english i admit it is far to be perfect, but i hope you understand).
Friendly.

you got me...good one. I thought Lance was going to have to wave the French Flag...the white one.

"weak and spineless" i hoped you could argue better. Lot of my friends have gone in USA in school exchange and all told me that at 18 years old in school you learn what we learn at 15 ...Weak... in wich sens ? mind, constitution??? argue pliz ( if you can...)

Well, we DO learn to SPELL by age 15.

And I would put my intelligence against ANY French person's with the same number of years of schooling.

But didnt you think that our history give us a little more experience? USA have only 2 centurys... You are a young contry.

NEWS FLASH: You guys went through a revolution at the same time we did, as well as a number of regime changes in the 19th century.

Our countrymen didn't just materialize out of thin air 228 years ago; many were parts of familes that had been farming the country for over 100 years prior, but as subjects of the crown. And then, ALL ultimately immigrated from various countries (American Indians excepted).

i would suggest a good, long look at French history in South East Asia and North Africa. Might be enlightening...

"i would suggest a good, long look at French history in South East Asia and North Africa. Might be enlightening..."
I totaly agree with you bakerstreet : i said the same since beginning : none of ours countrys are clean... no problemes about that.
I have read some of your blog bakerstreet ( it took me some time but i have find that interesting ).
At the end of reading, my feeling was that lot of our conflict may have his roots on religion. In france religion is not melt in politics due too our history. We try to think behnd of good and evil like nietzsche or like an autor i like a lot : Montaigne.
In the "essais" from montaigne, he describe the catholic spanish ppl invading south america and killing the primal natives to push them to catholiscim and take their land.Spanish ppl are sure to be the good because they are "civilized" and catholic.
Now what french ppl at this time : a superpower that have politics guided by God ( the vocabulary use by GB in speech (crusade - good vs evil etc ) is something that we doesn t like at all.)
I think that europe is like uranus because we have alredy know lot of religion war on our soile. When usa have attack afghanistan, if u rememeber, there was no objection in france and we send troops too because it was to eliminate a danger and help a population. For irak we immediatly understood that it was for oil. And usa was pretexting mass dest weapon ( no comment ) - al quaida ( no comment ) - and to give the democracy in irak ( cf spanish vs south america ).

@ at guideon : the history of a country do not begin with democracy. Democracy is good, but it s not the ultime level of human beeing. I don t know if you do too , but when we have a politic reflexion, in europe, we use reference like the roman republique for exemple, or fact that have happen during the "rennaissance" ( i dont know how to translate that : it s the periode between 16e and 17e centuries). When i say your history is shorter it s not to insult you, it s for trying to make you understand that our referals are different from yours, with lot of war and blood. Wich lot of different political regime. With lot of etnic movement. lot of military conquest ( win or lost ) and all of that make that we take more precaution with war.
In exemple : viet nam war seem to be very important in the way you decide a war or not. We have lot of viet nam, and some of this viet nam were in our soile...
friendly.

I understand what you are trying to say. But you are not correct in your assessment.

What I am trying to say is that, even though the current constitution of the United States was written in 1789, our founding fathers didn't come out of a political vaccuum. Many of the leaders of the Revolution were, in fact, the wealthiest people on this continent at the time. The reason they were wealthy is they were given land and title by England, something that comes as a result of service to the crown. This means that many of their ancestors had been influential in England, a culture that is far older.

My reference to France is apt. Your revolution in the late 1700's established a new government in France, putting you on approximately even footing as us. However, you also spent much of the 1800's embroiled in the various campaigns of Napoleon and Napoleanic supporters. To speak about how your government is "much older", then, I would have to ask, which is older? The government? Absolutely not, as I have shown. The culture? No, as our country consists of various cultures, that have been brought over from countries such as yours. The people? No, again, I have shown this.

Now you have been very eloquent and respectful in your arguments, however, you have also stated the reasons that many Europeans feel justified for their snobbery against the US, and they just don't hold water.

Salamader, what do you say to some of your more illustrious fellow citizens (e.g., BHL or Revel) who describe anti-Americanism in France as a kind of national illness? Is there anything to this?

Now as for the reverse (anti-French feeling in the US), I tell you with all seriousness that it is something of a joke. France and its people are the butt of many jokes but I don't think there is the deep, seething resentment towards the French that the French have towards Americans.

In fact, central to the sort of jokes one hears is precisely this absurd superiority complex you seem to have. I can't remember who it was, but it might have been Hazlitt who wrote: Pity the poor French, masters of all the arts; supreme in none.

Despite this conceit that Americans are stupid, ignorant, simple-minded etc., you might consider that we are an impossibly large and diverse land, such that while you and your countrymen might like to think of us all as a bunch of stupid, fat cowboys, you might also take a moment to consider that Americans win 80% of the Nobel Prizes and more than our fair share of Olympic medals. Of course none of that glory should rub off on me, as I am simply a fat, lazy, stupid (but not ignorant) American.