The Value of Commenting on uploads

Do you find it easy to comment?

Truth to tell, I often struggle with making comments and so often quietly move on. Although sometimes the author will hit just the right mark and make it easy for me, at other times, there will be elements of a piece I want to applaud, but there's something about the whole that doesn't quite work for me,... and despite an opening request from the author for feedback, I generally don't really feel that there's scope to enter into any meaningful dialogue about the piece.

I've played with 'Context Free' and appreciate the thought that can go into creating work with this sort of program. Still, beyond face value, I find it difficult to judge the merits of one piece of fractal work against another, simply because I don't know what went into the making of the piece... and so I try and see something that indicates where the program finished and the author has taken another step to produce a finished piece.... On the other hand, with the sort of works that Kenwas creates, I give extra credit for my not wondering how the piece was produced, I feel the 'how' of these should fade into the background and I just want to enjoy whatever feelings the scene evokes.

Normally what I'm really looking for is the personal touch. I like to know if an element has been produced by a default plug-in setting, or did the author use their own brushwork, that sort of thing. Yet after all this angst and searching for just the right thing to say, mostly when I do comment, I often seem to fall in with the forum shorthand, traditionally ranging somewhere from 'Cool' all the way to Woot & 'Kudos Dude'..

So why do I comment?

Before this week, I think I bothered for 2 reasons. The first being simply that something was so clearly well designed, that I wanted to congratulate the author. The other reason being, that I've had some sort of previous dialogue with the author, and so wanted to take an opportunity to offer some small level of support. I don't give bump up ratings, or comment favourably on a piece that I don't feel has some merit, just to be supportive or curry favour, there has to be something that appeals. I am though very aware, that I haven't really been as supportive as I could be of people's work and am trying to improve in that field - and here's why.

I recently had a brainstorm while experimenting in Photoshop and as a result uploaded a wall that's a little different from the norm. It's very minimal, avoiding textures etc makes Hockney seem overstated (not that at this stage he was panicking) , I can't argue with downloads, it's not been a universally popular style and I doubt unless something particularly strikes me as fun or interesting, I'll upload this sort of piece again. I am fortunate in that some members appear to have seen it as I hoped it would be perceived, and been very kind about it. It was these members that made me really understand the true value of comments and why I should make more effort to support others.

The first time I saw my wall in the gallery, it had a 1.5 stars rating, which if I'm honest was unexpected. I thought at worst it would be largely ignored and sit there with maybe 3 stars and a WTF? comment..... the thought at the time, was that at least I'd have uploaded something and better understand some of the process from having gone through it personally.

Initial pain absorbed I began to try and work out what the figures actually meant - The rating itself doesn't really tell me a lot. Okay it's a hint, and in my case a good one,... but it didn't say what rating the wall had gone in at, or how many votes it had attracted - there's no obvious way to know unless you're watching it from the very start. The downloads were (and still are) a good indicator that viewers felt from the preview that it wasn't their sort of thing..... At this point the delete button was a definite option, not out of pique, but just because as the only item in my gallery, it didn't feel so good.

Then came the comments, which although they don't by themselves affect the ratings, they do apply a welcome salve to a bruised upload. Every comment was gratefully received, one comment in particular was particularly valuable to me, simply because it reflected something I actually needed to hear at that time. In essence it kind of reinforced that elements I was beginning to doubt could be identified, were actually visible.

What I realised, was that for me personally, 'with this particular wall' as it climbed to the dizzy heights of 2 stars, was that I was actually happier with 2 stars and community comments, than I would have been with 3 stars and no feedback at all.

So it's been a tough week, on what passes for an ego around my home, but it's been a great lesson. I've come to understand how important comments can be, and so resolved to make this post and encourage more members to take the time to support authors through commenting in the galleries.

If you are like me and commenting doesn't come easy, then it isn't so tough to find a gallery you like and start off small. You don't have to try and cover everyone in the first week, I've not begun to scratch the surface, just a piece here, an author there. Pick something that appeals, don't worry about why you like it, just throw in a smiley to let the author know you appreciate their work. I think it's probably like anything else, just keep practising and it gets easier in time.

Pretty soon as you become more practised, you may find that you're the one whose comments are worth more to the author than a star. If you'll take it from one who knows, that's a pretty cool gift to receive.

If you got this far - thanks


* Just wanted to take a second to thank Fuzzy Logic for offering great feedback behind the scenes.








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Reply #1 Top
Great post.  Thanks for taking the time and making the effort.

I've always had a hard time commenting.  Finding the balance of "this is what the artist wanted, who am I to say" and "this doesn't appeal to me".  And then you start putting authors that are either receptive or prima-donas that really don't want your feedback unless it's "cool", "woot", or "Kudos".

I may have to make more of an effort.   
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Great post.

Other than watching Teddybearcholla's work I usually only hang around the DX galleries. I get stuck in forum shorthand, too, but I would like to expand my comments into something more meaningful. Mostly, I think I just need to pause, ruminate over the skin, and take the time to express myself. Like you said, comments (good or constructive) can be more treasured than high ratings. It shows someone not only liked your work enough to download and use it, but also felt strongly enough about it (and you as an author) to tell you so.


Good food for thought.  
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Great Post
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Great post. I started commenting recently. Still not comfortable commenting and rating because I don't understand many of the works.
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Great in-site with this post.   
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I figure that all submission that's made it to the WC galleries no matter how big or small is worth a comment should I decide to try it.

I mean all of this stuff takes a level of wrenchtime as I call it.

So I feel that the Author should at the least be thanked not only for the effort, but for sharing their concept.

When I comment, those two very important factors are always included.

Cp

  

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I don't mind comments on mine at all....except for stuff like..."this is shit" and along that line from people that have created nothing. Comments can be good for all kinds of reasons....to better the creators works or to point out something that might have been overlooked by the creator. I've had some docks I created where I had missed things that were so obvious that I shouldn't have missed them...and if I had I had seen them I wouldn't have released them...but yet they got tons of downloads...go figure!?

I personally comment on peoples stuff in my own particular area of creation...and I do miss stuff...mostly because I have so many things going at one time I don't always get a chance to see everything. I also comment on stuff that I download and use. As far as other stuff...."if" I can offer some helpful advice I do...or I'll at least leave a nice comment for encouragement.

Basically...if you can comment on something...go for it...but if you can't say something constructive or encouraging...please leave the childish comments at home. Comments like "this is shit or crap" are really out of line....especially if the commenter has never created anything.

And I think we need to start a new comments gallery for commenter's like CP!
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And I think we need to start a new comments gallery for commenter's like CP!
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We can call it the "Blabber-Mouth I don't know when to shut up" comment gallery!

      
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Excellent post Alternate Setting...

Yes I find it hard commenting. For the most part, I take the short cuts..like *kool*, excellent, and so on. But once in awhile, when a wallpaper, windowlblind or whatever *grabs me* touches me in some way, then I find the words come easily.
Commenting and having people comment is more important to me than downloads, ratings.
I will always remember my 4th wallpaper that was accepted here,*Plastic*( now it is soooooooo ugly!! ) and the reason I remember, is because there were alot of downloads but no comments. So I wrote one, asking why, if people liked it enough to download, why no comments. And then there is *very nice* ( I personally hate that one, always did...to me it means the person has no feeling from it whatsoever, they don't hate it or like it). But I am guilty of writing that a few times, mainly so the person knows I at least looked at it.
I have always found it helpful when the person posting the wallpaper states in what prog they made it,etc. I have tried to do that with most of my work, Kenwas does it, several people do, but alot of people don't. I made the mistake awhile ago of titling one of my pics * Oil, not acrylic*., and not putting what software I used. A friend of mine, who knows I also do traditional artwork thought it was a pic of an oil painting I did, it wasn't...it was digital and I was so embarrassed. I apologized to my friend and changed the title to * Not oil, not acrylic*.
Just one other tiny thing to add...*authors who do not respond to comments*....a smiley would be fine, at least commentors or is it commentees??? would know that their efforts were at leased noticed.
Just a thought, I think this would be a great *sticky* thread...

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I personally love recieving technical feedback on how to make my skins better, or if mistakes have been found.......most are corrected asap, It helps me to become a better skinner. (especially next skin project)

As for comments, I can only comment on things I have downloaded...I used to comment from just seeing the screen shot! that was so shallow!! Then I started downloading, using, exploring and delving deeper into the skin to get a better experience of the artists work and then have feedback to give. I think if you have used the skin, and had the experience of it on your desktop, then more comments can flow...... how she handled for you, was she user friendly, how was the overall feel, did anything annoy you..ect.

wicked post Alternate........... very deep! I luved reading it......and I actually didnt realize that sometimes, some people found it hard to comment!
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Most people say we shouldn't give negative comments and in a perfect world I would agree.

Unfortunatley, unless someone gets the cold hard truth they will continue to rush work and put up crap. Download whores suck!

I checked out a skin today that had alot of nice comments and a couple bad ones. The people that left the bad comments were right. As nasty as the words sound the work was really bad. The people leaving nice comments are causing the damage in this case.

The Author is skinning for downloads and is not caring at all about the quality of the work. They should be called on it. Some people just don't have the decency to put it into kind words and really, why should they. It is the Author putting out bad work and is disgracing skinning for downloads. I really don't see a reason to worry about their feelings. I'm not going to spend more time critisising a skin than the Author took to make it. In some cases, a simple seems fitting and once in awhile can be a good thing.   

Even so, good post!
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exploring and delving deeper into the skin to get a better experience
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more comments can flow...... how she handled for you, was she user friendly, how was the overall feel, did anything annoy you..ect.
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... does anyone else need a cigarette...?  
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just set to cold Phoon should work
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So many great replies, I'd have to flood my own thread to respond to each one properly - so I'll just use this post to thank you all for taking the time to add your thoughts, and for making this thread work - much appreciated.

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Commenting can just be a case of letting the skinner know 'I was here...yep, saw it'.  It doesn't have to be gushing...positive OR negative.

Other than that...if you like it...say so...feels all nice, warm and squishy...but conversely, if you don't like it...also say so... but remember to avoid the invective diatribe, ascerbic wit, vitriolic reposte and other big words.  Say "I didn't like it...was too green/red/pink/black/blue/passe...for my liking."

Not..."yo momma's biggest regret was having offspring, you spawn of satan....etc..."

Good or bad, if the comment is honest...and polite...it'll be accepted/received in the manner it was given...