PO' Target- First Shot Free

PO' Target- First Shot Fre

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I guess it had to come to this. If it is to be my swansong, oh well.

I made a comment in a thread. It was taken the wrong way. Maybe it was my wording...maybe it was my fault it was taken the wrong way.

The 'response' struck a nerve. This is a partial quote, out of context, but it cuts.

It's time you publicly showed more 'community spirit' and a little less of this antagonism.

Don't look for it, it was sent privately. The author may or may not come forward to explain. I don't know and at this point I don;t care. I don't need an explanation.

I have made mistakes and always have done my best to admit to them and apologize. I have deleted some of my own posts (when we could) but left the apologies. I may have been embaressed or ashamed of some of the mistakes, but I took responsibility because some of things concerned not just myself but community issues or other people here and I wanted to dot the right thing. I have pursued certain questions and certain things I have felt I either didn't understand, were poorly defined, or were unfair. I have persistently pursued these things for several reasons.

1. I may have felt I didn't get enough of answer, an unclear answer, or an unsatisfactory answer.

2. Members of THIS community PM, email me and ask 'Why aren't they answering?".."Why did they ignore that question?"...etc. You know who you all are.

3. Memmbers have gone after the same answers I have and lost their cool and left, were banned, or suspended. Some of them contacted me. Some were mad or confused as to why I didn't lose my cool and thought I was kissing ass. I explained that I wanted to try a civil approach so the issue would not or could not be dismissed because I lost my cool as well. And I kept pushing.

4. Journeymen, site employees, volunteers, and long time members contacted me and said 'You're doing well" or "Don't give up" or even advised me when I was pushing TOO hard and to ease up.

5. Members contact me to comment on my lack of response or progress and then say they would comment but they are afraid they would lose their cool or say the wrong thing and be banned or suspended or just ignored.

In all of these communications, in all the threads, in all the things I tried to do...and the things that don't even include these issues and questions, this is the first time my community spirit has come into question. Until now, I have heard from all the above mentioned that they admire my love for the community, or that I care for it as much as I do. They seem, until now, to understand that I don't do these things just to annoy. Though, my tactic has been to 'tap on the shoulders of those I want to talk to or communicate these things to" like a 2 year old until they responded, it has not been to annoy.

So, here you are. I tried. Some of you will write and say 'I told you so'. That's cool. I don't care. What I want to hear is that my 'community spirit' is lacking from you. That I am just a shit disturber and just like annoying the mods and admins. That it was all a big joke and waste of time. YOU tell ME.
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Reply #1 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Don't look for it, it was sent privately. The author may or may not come forward to explain.


You know it didn't come from me but if it was sent "privately" as you state then why not seek your explanation "privately" as well.
Reply #2 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Don't look for it, it was sent privately. The author may or may not come forward to explain. I don't know and at this point I don;t care. I don't need an explanation.


I 'know' who sent it. That's not my point.
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Reply #3 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Smed, I've been around you for a while now both here and at SB!

You're a classy dude!

But from what I read, your community spirit is not the problem or the issue here; it's the person pointing the finger! And obviously because you do care, it hurts to have your integrity questioned!

All I have to say is, I'll be turning the big 50 this Monday, and I have zero tolerance to low opinions, especially about me. Personally if someone and I don't care who, would attempt to do that to me, there will be hell to be paid baby! (I’m being polite here)

If you can dish it, you damn well better be able to take it!

So there’s no need to lament or to search your soul over what, an opinion?

Bottom line my friend, you have a conscience, you were raised to care, and in 2007 while the rest of the world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anything but themselves, this makes you rare!

Sometimes you have to say to hell with ‘em… (again being polite)

Who ever wants to come at me with an opinion, better be walking on water!

You’re a good man, that’s all I know!

Later…

Reply #4 from WinCustomize Forums Top
What's happening PO'? I've read your posts. In a number of them, although I don't comment, it's not because I'm afraid I'll lose my cool or that I will face being banned for making a comment. I mostly don't choose to comment because I can't think of anything of value to add to a thread. This time I felt I did have something to say.

I think you know and remember that in many of your threads your comments have been well received and that other valued community members appreciate your contributions. I think you also believe of yourself that you know your intentions are good and that your statements are honest. I believe this to be the case and I say this because I've read your threads. So, if someone sent you an email attempting to chastice you regarding your community spirit then I think they are mistaken. I wouldn't take it too seriously. It isn't possible to control what other people think or say. Simply believe in yourself, stick to the high ground as they say, and rely on the feedback you receive from a variety of sources (close friends and casual friends) to confirm your belief in yourself. Often these type of misunderstandings diminish over time. By the way did you see my personal photo. I think you'll like it.
Reply #5 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Po' Dude,

You risk losing track of your centre by allowing your passion for creativity to be diverted into the politics of perceived injustices.

If you can deal with the politics with conviction & honesty, but at no risk to your wellbeing, then fine.

If it begins to eat at you, if you begin to spend more time/energy thinking about the politics than the art, then you may find value in taking a breath and pausing.

Understand that the energies taken to achieve one end, to battle perceived injustices, self doubt etc... this emotional energy has to come from somewhere. To spend it in one place, means neglecting something else.

Understand also that passions such as art are like living creatures. They don't appreciate neglect or coming second in life. If you fail to nurture them or abandon them to invest in other priorities, they may not let you back in at the first time of asking. Best not to risk losing sight of them in the first place.

Protect your centre. Nurture and focus your creativity and those other things in life that are important to you.

Be well Po, enjoy what you do & focus on what gives you energy.



Reply #6 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Po, Your threads and coments tend to keep things lively around here. I Like that. You have a great Talent and Passion. Don't give up either one.
Reply #7 from WinCustomize Forums Top
You risk losing track of your centre by allowing your passion for creativity to be diverted into the politics of perceived injustices.


OMG well said AS, bravo! And true!

Cp
Reply #8 from WinCustomize Forums Top
PO' you have integrity and that is so important. You contribute vastly to this community and it shows in the questions you ask. I read your threads where you are trying to find concrete answers to reasonable questions. I see how you get frustrated because most of the time the answers you receive are flippant...like well thats how it is on this site or read the rules. You are not receiving clear cut answers. They do not get broken down into something that is easily understood. I don't comment very often because I am not a skinner (my talents lie else where) and because I don't know how to say something helpful. But I do read and I do listen; your friends will find you and the best will stand with you. All the others are just noise. I love this site; it is part of my home so to speak. So rise up above it all. You are a good person and have wonderful talents. Believe in yourself and continue on to find the answers you deserve.
Reply #9 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Po' you care of this community for me. You are honest and helpful in many cases it seems to me.
But like i'm honest too i'll tell you my truth ok?
I think that your questions about rips are justified but i think also that they had got "answers", i think like i said in the other post that the moderation is not too simple and also that we live in a grey world not only white and black. I think that moderation is more a thing who is statued work by work not for all in one shoot. Rules are here like a line to follow but sometimes it's not so simple.
You are not a kiss ass when you said what you think like you are not a asshole if you disagree with others. Just i think you need to take the mater in his all view.
I hate the idea of Rips too (and at beginning in skinning i made my own mistakes ask Zoomba if you want)
I think that some people here (maybe you too) can think that i'm a kiss ass and i don't care. I never kiss an ass and it's not now that i'll kiss one. So made like me and don't care of it and continue to say what you think and to be honest it's that the most important thing. But try also to understand why they can't give you/us a general answer, and can't tell you/us all they find when they investigate about a Rip.
I believe it's maybe that the people who send you this mail/PM wanted to tell you
Just my thoughts N.
Reply #10 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Your search for answers and concern about site policies shows the very best in community spirit. The comment you mentioned reeks of "get back in line and don't make waves". I am one of those that has stopped participating in the forums to protect the center so ably described by Alternate Setting. I break that to respond here as you need to know the support you have and to state so publicly. I have actually felt guilty watching you fight the good fight alone. Continue to be yourself my friend.
Reply #11 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Alternate Settings: You risk losing track of your centre by allowing your passion for creativity to be diverted into the politics of perceived injustices.


While I agree with you for the most part Alternate Settings..
"Perceived Injustices" can be a broad range of perceptions. We have all been guilty at one time or another of interpreting ' things, statements, rules ' etc in our own way. So what we perceive as' injustice' isn't always the case. Sometimes its not a cut and dry issue or something that can be explained with one rule. And sometimes we are correct in our assessment of a situation....that something is in fact unfair..
That becomes a problem for some of us. Sit quietly and say nothing or try to start a meaningful dialog in the forum that will inadvertently go sour because others will add their own agenda...then the person that tried to clarify a point etc is now the pain in the ass.

I'm not the type of person to sit quiet if I think something is 'unfair'
I try to follow the rules...
I will help anyone that asks for help...if I can, if not, I'll try to find someone to help them.
I too get emails from total strangers here that seem to think I appear to know
' stuff '
They will ask me what they are doing wrong that their work is rejected etc. Sometimes its easy to see why its rejected, other times I don't understand why some work is rejected while other work gets passed.

I tell them to remind themselves that WC is a website.
Do not try to measure your self worth by the standards of a website. Whats ' in' one week is out the next..and doesn't always reflect ones artistic ability.

Anyway...not much I can say to you Noah ( Po') that hasn't already been said. All I know is that I still feel this 'strangeness' that I can't put my finger on...I'm hoping it will pass.

I'm hoping that you will return to making fun of skinnit and that my squiggle will once again be squashed and mutilated and subject to ridicule.

The forum seems a lonely place these days...
Reply #12 from WinCustomize Forums Top
The forums make my day. Po', you're one-of-a-kind, let the crap fall where it may, you're so far beyond it. The thoughts expressed here have been so wise I've got to go outside and just ponder for awhile. Up one day and next it's something else... What a crew.
Reply #13 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm hoping that you will return to making fun of skinnit and that my squiggle will once again be squashed and mutilated and subject to ridicule.


agree sorry couldn't resist
Reply #14 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm hoping that you will return to making fun of skinnit


Oh sure throw me in the mix!  Smedley you know we love you and everything that you do! We're behind you!
Reply #15 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Anyway...not much I can say to you Noah ( Po') that hasn't already been said.


My sentiments.

The forum seems a lonely place these days...


I think it's one of those cyclic things.

I'm sure some of those 4 digit and less user IDs can tell it better, but it seems to me "groups" get going and then many of the group members eventually stop coming around leaving 1 or 2 members who "stick". For a time after that we kind of flounder around until a new group gets going and the process repeats.
Reply #16 from WinCustomize Forums Top
flounder


mmmmmmmm.........flounder
Reply #17 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Has anyone seen my underwear? I seem to have misplaced them...
Reply #18 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Has anyone seen my underwear? I seem to have misplaced them...


make sure your still wearing the right hat.........I know how those vacations can be.....