You just stumbled upon the great fallacy that many athiests (though not all) make. You said "I know."
...and then you start your next sentence with:
I know that there is a God, and I know what He wants me to do. How can I say that I know this? Because I believe in revalation, that God does speak to man. I accept the witness of those who He has called as Prophets, who have seen Him, have heard His voice, and lead His church. I have what would hold up in any court as evidence that something happened as evidnece that He exists (not to mention my own witness).
This may be sufficient evidence for you to believe
, Feud, but it is insufficient for your claim to know
This is basic epistemology.
However, what can an athiest ever truely know? Can you prove there is no life after death? If there isn't then no one will ever no becuase there is no coming back.
We do not need to prove that there is no life after death. The burden of proof is on you, as the one making the assertion.
I'm willing to put my faith in science and rational discourse, perhaps to the same degree that you are willing to trust prophets and revelations. For that reason, we probably won't be able to reach common ground here, which is fine.
Can it be proven that God does not exist? The only way to know this is to have all knowledge of everything, for so long as there is even an iota of knowledge unknown then He may exist. The only way that anyone could honestly say they KNOW that there is no God is to have it revealed to them by a higher power, which defeats the whole point of the argument.
And yet, you claim to know
that he does exist, without being granted any such powers. Why are we atheists expected to meet standards that you are unwilling to meet yourself?
Now, if someone wants to beleive there is no God, then fine. That is thier choice, and I will fight anyone who tries to take that away from them
I appreciate that. Seriously. I would also defend your right to believe whatever you want (unlike some other atheists, regrettably).
I can produce evidence that there is a God, and yet there is no evidence that there is none.
I'm not sure if you are being serious when you say this. Assuming you are, can you please provide us with said evidence? Hopefully, you are not referring to what you wrote above, which, I think most here will agree, is not sufficient proof at all.
I agree that it is impossible for me to prove that god does not exist, no more than I could prove that the world is flat or that my socks are magical.
Oh, there is plenty of philosopy, rhtetoric, and conjecture that says there is no God, but that is not evidence.
And yet, you have provided nothing more than your own assertions, and those of others, to prove the opposite. In fact, philosophy, rhetoric and conjecture sound like a reasonable starting point for a rational understanding of the world we live in.
Looking back I may have come off a bit strong, and my intention is not to offened.
You're not being offensive to me, despite your world-view being almost the opposite of mine. I think it's possible to have discussions like this without becoming nasty, and I appreciate you trying. I hope I come across similarly.
I would like to ask those who consider tehmselves atheist, how is it possible that you can "know" that God does not exist?
I don't really feel that I need to do this, actually. Until sufficient evidence is provided to the contrary, I don't see any reason to believe in the existence of a god, or even to consider that there might be one. This is basically a case of negative proof