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Posting Someone ELSE'S work

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from WinCustomize Forums
I would love to see a gallery for all of the stuff that is posted as 'someone else's work' and just put it all in there, whatever it is. There, you can split it into categories (walls, boots, etc.).

If the work being posted is originally created by a non-member and is posted by a WC member, I think it needs to be separated from the original work of WC contributor's.

I realize this will 'piss off' some people...that's not my intent. I also realize that this would involve defining 'other people's original work' and 'altered and/or improved on' and/or 'adapted for a specific proggie' and/or of course ports. All should include permissions and that they are included should be posted in the description.

It just doesn't seem right that someone gets ratings, points, etc., for work that someone else did..whom is not even a member of the site. I think if it is going to be posted here, it should have it's own category to distinguish it from everything else...no ratings or points..and not be allowed to consume front page space that can and should go to original works of member's. (Not that I have specifically seen anything 'not-original' on the front page)

IMHO
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Reply #126 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I do in fact check many of the Dream uploads for the 15 second/25% rule. A great number of entries have been rejected for not following the fair use rules we set out, which are incredibly more restrictive than most other sites that would take the same content.


Zoomba, I tried to make it clear that I do not doubt mods or your intentions. We are talking about a potentially large upload situation where "I" needs to be a very well educated "we" and still you are now placing the burden of the original artist to prove is ownership by underlying policy of allowing the posting of other people's work than one's own. Seems to me a different spirit for the site.

BTW, where exactly does the 15 sec and 25% rule come from. Is this law that can be referenced or is it merely company policy?
Reply #127 from WinCustomize Forums Top
lease don't compare this with that which is found on Russian sites [your example]. The difference is that if and when an author takes issue with something of his posted here it is dealt with.


Jafo, I believe if you read the thread you will note that everyone has repeatedly asked why the referenced walls were still there after all the time of this thread. That is the frustration with the thread and many of the responders.
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Reply #129 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Just for the record Jafo, I did not compare WC to a Russian rip site. I compared the use of Rule 3 which puts the burden of ownership proof on the original artist to the methods used by Russian rip sites operators. Period.
Reply #130 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Kenwas....some of the works have been removed...haven't checked them all...as yet...as other things got in the way.....

But...again...this is not an instance of an author requesting a rip removal...a direct issue of copyright...but a third party pointing out what is believed to be a rip, which, until the author [original] is found/contacted there is no clear certainty that it's not just a case of 2 different sites...2 different nicks...same person. [It actually DOES happen]

This new PM gizmo will help with many issues such as these....and other plans are afoot to improve things as well....

Reply #131 from WinCustomize Forums Top
If we denied everything that even looked like it could have come from somewhere else, the people would just go to the Russian sites and now the original authors have NO recourse at all.


This is confusing. Are you saying it's better they post it here cause you will take it down if the original author asks? Provided the original author even finds out about it? I've seen one wall taken and posted on many sites. To imply that you are doing a service to the original creators by removing the rip if they ever find out they have been ripped...I don't even know what the word would be for this. I mean...it's like, if the cops didn't see it, I didn't do it. So, it can be approved and remain up as long as the original author doesn't find out?

It is doubtful they have the resources to keep track of one piece of work let alone their entire collection of work and may never know where it has been posted. It's like your saying if we allow rips , the rippers will ONLY post it here? And should the author ever find out, we will remove it.
Reply #132 from WinCustomize Forums Top
This new PM gizmo will help with many issues such as these....and other plans are afoot to improve things as well....


Reply #133 from WinCustomize Forums Top
.but a third party pointing out what is believed to be a rip


The person has a text file in the zip stating it is not their work. They admit it.
Reply #134 from WinCustomize Forums Top

BTW, where exactly does the 15 sec and 25% rule come from. Is this law that can be referenced or is it merely company policy?

Company policy.  It was a compromise between allowing nothing and allowing everything that Brad and I thought very reasonable.  We erred on the side of caution with imposing such a low limit.

I've cleared Deda D's walls until they can show ownership or permission.

Currently, posting reports of rips burried deep in dozens of threads is a less than effecient way to report them.  Fact is there's too much on the site for myself or Jafo to read every message and click every link.  Even in this thread, after a point I had to skim to get a summary of the argument.

We are working on a "report rip" feature for the site which will make this a lot easier.  It will require that you provide a link to the original work as proof of the rip. 

In the meantime, please use the new PM system on the forums to report rips.

Reply #135 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Just for the record Jafo, I did not compare WC to a Russian rip site. I compared the use of Rule 3 which puts the burden of ownership proof on the original artist to the methods used by Russian rip sites operators. Period.

Kenwas...again, all uploads are in this same situation...they are assumed to be the uploader's to upload...until a rightful owner comes along and says 'hey, that is mine'.  People have uploaded [tried to] YOUR walls here....but I'm pretty sure we actually recognized them first...so the assumption that they are theirs is voided and the upload is rejected.  That's not 'burden of ownership proof'...that's simple notification.  I'd love to see any other feasible method of declaring authorship, as the only way it actually works is through trust, reputation, and experience of/with the uploader......[and a long history of modding that means you may just have seen works before/elsewhere].

Put bluntly, Russian rip sites do not give a f**k whose the upload is....and if you enter a pissing match over one....they don't plead the fifth...they plead 'no-speakie-English' [cos it suits them to] and simply ignore you....

Reply #136 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Jafo: But...again...this is not an instance of an author requesting a rip removal...a direct issue of copyright...but a third party pointing out what is believed to be a rip, which, until the author [original] is found/contacted there is no clear certainty that it's not just a case of 2 different sites...2 different nicks...same person. [It actually DOES happen]


This 3rd party is not speculating about anything being a rip - I posted a fact that 3 of the walls contained a text notepad that clearly stated that the pictures are not their original work. They mention no author or a resource to the pics. To me , that is not a permission text and Im just following the WC guidelines.



Reply #137 from WinCustomize Forums Top
this is not an instance of an author requesting a rip removal...a direct issue of copyright...but a third party pointing out what is believed to be a rip, which, until the author [original] is found/contacted there is no clear certainty that it's not just a case of 2 different sites...2 different nicks...same person. [It actually DOES happen]



I see a misconception about this statement.

In one of the files referenced the permission.txt file plainly says that the poster is not the owner of the work.
Also, going back to the fair use statment quoted above.. #114 rule 2. Some of these are clearly evident that the poster is not the author of the "borrowed" work. Ie.. the Rush Logo, the Game Team Logo's, The Cartoon Character..
Reply #138 from WinCustomize Forums Top

To imply that you are doing a service to the original creators by removing the rip if they ever find out they have been ripped...I don't even know what the word would be for this. I mean...it's like, if the cops didn't see it, I didn't do it. So, it can be approved and remain up as long as the original author doesn't find out?

Po...re #131 ...... If the author does not know...and thus does not inform us....and if no-one else notices either...then existentialism rules...the rip is not a rip because it is not shown to be one...

As and when someone [author...other person] indicates there is an issue it gets resolved.

Using your cops thing....

If they don't see it you will NOT BE CHARGED.

Sure, it happened...you did it...but if no-one else on the planet is aware....then it didn't happen....because there IS NO record of it having done so.

Existentialism Rulez....

Reply #139 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Maude...go wake up Granny & the kids...this is getting better than survivor!
Reply #140 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Fact is there's too much on the site for myself or Jafo to read every message and click every link. Even in this thread, after a point I had to skim to get a summary of the argument.


I had a point when I wrote this. The rips came into it later. I did try private channels, emails, I even posted the links in IRC when I was talking to you and Zubaz a few days ago when they came to light.

I've also asked ...

So, who does the site consider it's priority? Artists and posters? Downloaders and readers? -


because it seems to me or I should say 'for me' (I can't speak for everyone else), IMHO to be unclear at this point. I still don't understand how a Family Guy/fan art wall with only two stars gets in the main gallery and my work which the mods even rated higher got sent to my personal gallery, unless it's just that Family Guy is considered of a higher 'commercial' or 'popular' value.
Reply #141 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I had a point when I wrote this. The rips came into it later. I did try private channels, emails, I even posted the links in IRC when I was talking to you and Zubaz a few days ago when they came to light.

I'm sorry about that Po, I was confused at the time over what was going on and didn't understand what you were linking.  That was my fault.

There are also bugs at the moment with moderation that is causing some walls that should be personal page only items to show up in the main gallery.  It's not consistent or easily reproducable so it's been hard to track down.  It is being worked on though.

Reply #142 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Po...re #131 ...... If the author does not know...and thus does not inform us....and if no-one else notices either...then existentialism rules...the rip is not a rip because it is not shown to be one.


It's the wink at the end of that statement that bother's me, not that I am implying you meant anything by it. It just seems that that is the whole 'concept' by which these these uploads are getting through. A wink and a nod.

Using your cops thing....

If they don't see it you will NOT BE CHARGED.


It's just an expression, grammatically correct or not. "I didn't do it' fits well, though, because it's really about playing dumb. ("I didn't know.") Like the map-walls. The author tells me he actually owns the maps and scanned them in despite the stating they were big enough to use as a throw rug, and admits to someone else on the site he stole them from the very site I pointed out to him they were from.

Reply #143 from WinCustomize Forums Top
We are working on a "report rip" feature for the site which will make this a lot easier. It will require that you provide a link to the original work as proof of the rip.


Now you're talkin' !!!

Excellent!
Reply #144 from WinCustomize Forums Top
There are also bugs at the moment with moderation that is causing some walls that should be personal page only items to show up in the main gallery.


why mines not
I joke
Reply #145 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Put bluntly, Russian rip sites do not give a f**k whose the upload is....and if you enter a pissing match over one....they don't plead the fifth...they plead 'no-speakie-English' [cos it suits them to] and simply ignore you....


Very true. I have prints of my work being actually sold on several Russian sites so you have no argument from me with this statement. I think there is a concern about the Dreams policy opening the flood gates by allowing people to upload other peoples work in a situation that admittedly is almost impossible to completely monitor and not expect the same to spill over into other galleries which until now seemed to contain original work only. The incidents with the various walls mentioned in this thread would seem to indicate that that was the case and has raised red flags to many with very justifiable concern IMHO.
Reply #146 from WinCustomize Forums Top
And in reference to my question...

So, who does the site consider it's priority? Artists and posters? Downloaders and readers? -


How do you break it down between 'registered user downloads' and 'anonymous user downloads' (which is much higher on average)? Is the priority here to just attract traffic? Is the site focusing on 'quantity' in visitors as well, over registered users/customers?

Reply #147 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Existentialism rules can go the other way where it doesn't seem like aiding and abetting.
Sure, the uploader isn't profiting from the work they stole but Stardock does when that person purchases software or a subscripiton because they are allowed to steel others work and upload it here. As well as people purchasing software to use those skins.

Enlightened self interest!   



Reply #148 from WinCustomize Forums Top

It's the wink at the end of that statement that bother's me, not that I am implying you meant anything by it.

Po...you must have noticed by now.... is my common smilie....use it all the time.

To me it's friendly/light hearted...better than...    which is so agro....

I 'try' NOT to use ... Spell checker .... cos it scares the kiddies....

Biggest worry is when there's none....usually means I'm annoyed/distracted...and can't be buggered to use one....[Aussie phrase, that]...

Reply #149 from WinCustomize Forums Top

because they are allowed to steel others work and upload it here.

Night Train ....No.

They are NOT 'allowed'...it's just that sometimes they DO...until such time as the issue is resolved through it being brought to our attention [assuming we missed it on upload]....

 

Reply #150 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Is the priority here to just attract traffic? Is the site focusing on 'quantity' in visitors as well, over registered users/customers?


I think deep down inside you probably know the answer. There is little room in business for compassion.


More smilies would be a definate boon for the forums