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ObjectBar 2.0 in about 2 weeks

ObjectBar 2.0 in about 2 weeks

A quick preview...

ObjectBar 2.0 is finally complete. Stardock will be releasing ObjectBar 2.0 on September 12th.  So what is ObjectBar and what has taken so long to go from 1.6 to 2.0?

What is ObjectBar

ObjectBar is essentially a GUI construction kit. With it, users can create their own alternative interfaces of Windows XP (and soon Windows Vista).  After all, Apple and Microsoft aren't the only ones with ideas on how the desktop interface should be done. 

ObjectBar can pretty much emulate virtually any existing desktop interface out there as well as add new twists to them or enable users to create their own.  Creations can be exported as actual programs that others can use (or the bar theme itself can be exported for those who want to trade and modify each other's designs).

ObjectBar: Two groups of users

ObjectBar content is much more involved than what is the norm in skinning.  ObjectBar content can be split up in two pieces: The actual bar theme and then the skin for the bar.  One could imagine the Windows Sidebar in Windows Vista or the Start Bar or the Mac finder as being examples of bar themes.  But beyond that, those themes can also be skinned independently.

ObjectBar skins are best when designed for the bar in question but ObjectBar can also automatically inherit your WindowBlinds skin.  The bar themes themselves are very customizeable. If the person who creates the bar theme exports it as an EXE, the user of the EXE (as long as they have ObjectBar installed) can use that bar theme as a stand alone program with a much simplified interface for adding content and tweaking what's there.  It's powerful and yet simple.

 

ObjectBar 2: Years in the making

For a long time, ObjectBar 1.x was quite popular with power users.  The problem Stardock ran into was one of support and expanding its market and deciding where it should go.  It seemed to be stuck between worlds.  Google, Microsoft, and tons of other companies have gotten into the "sidebar" business.  That is, having a vertical bar on the right side of the screen that users can insert various things into (clocks, gadgets, RSS feeds, short cuts, etc.). 

Such specialized programs tended to do what they did very well.  ObjectBar, by contrast, has been a generalist -- you could create a Sidebar with it. A fully skinnable sidebar at that.  And since ObjectBar 2 supports embedding DesktopX widgets, you could create some pretty spectacular sidebars.  But here's the problem with that -- the widgets and skins would have to be made with that particular sidebar theme in mind.

So what Stardock has done is re-imagine how ObjectBar is likely to be used.  First off, it made it so that the people who spend the time to create the bars can export them as programs.  Secondly, it has begun to try to separate the skinning from the bar creation part.  To that end, Stardock has made creating new bars somewhat more technically challenging but resulting in far more powerful and interesting bars.  On the other hand, customizing and modifying those bars has been made much easier.  Before, it was just somewhat hard to do most things but  never easy to do anything. 

 

The ObjectBar 2 Strategy

With ObjectBar 2, Stardock intends to provide a series of high quality template bar themes created by Jeff Bargmann and Treetog.  Then make it relatively easy for users to create skins for those bars.  The WinCustomize gallery will be set up so that users can upload skins that are distinct from bars.  A skinning guide has been developed and will be made available.

Since ObjectBar is a super-set of anything that any sidebar or similar program can do, it is our hope that by focusing initial effort on a handful of bar themes and then branch out from there as others create new bar themes that we can build a strong customization community for ObjectBar 2.

The key is for users to recognize that there are two elements at work here: Bar themes and skins. And while a bar theme will include a skin (by default) that users can create skins on their own.  So picture dozens of Sidebar skins or Finder bar skins or other types.

ObjectBar 2.0 on September 12th. Stay tuned!

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Reply #26 Top
QA delays are understandable. And given how long we've waited for the release, another week won't kill us. Plus, the better, the better, eh?

However, given that September 12 was the announced release date and that the announcement was on the front page of the site, it'd be nice if there was at least an up-front notice of the delay.

Some of us may have been checking back all day waiting for the release without thinking to search for this older article. *COUGH* Not that I know anyone who'd have done that...
Reply #27 Top
However, given that September 12 was the announced release date and that the announcement was on the front page of the site, it'd be nice if there was at least an up-front notice of the delay.


Agreed
A skinning guide has been developed and will be made available.


Would it be possible to post the skinning guide?
Reply #28 Top
Agreed, I'll ask Zoomba to put together a schedule update.
Reply #29 Top
Thanks Brad.
Reply #30 Top
Jeff - thanks for answering my Q's. As I've said before, OB is the one app that I CANNOT live without. When I an application needs more memory or CPU, I will unload DX and WB and even VD before I turn off OB. And putting some strong warning about running on Win2K is unsupported is acceptable, but please make sure that the installer let's me do it (I hate it when the app "should" run on Win2K but the Stardock Central installer has some XP Only limitation preventing me from DLing it).

I am really looking forward to this. THANKS AGAIN!!!
Reply #31 Top
It's nice to know that OB2 is getting enough testing to make sure that everything will work correctly. Hopefully, this trend will continue with other Stardock products (for example, it would have been nice if Stardock Virtual Desktops had been tested as thoroughly and the wallpaper switching issue with IconX had been resolved, prior to the 2.0 release).

I'm really looking forward to OB2, it's an application I want to use as I can see it as actually improving the desktop experience. However, it's pretty telling that I often have more problems getting one Stardock application to work well with another Stardock application than I have getting a Stardock application working well with any other application.

So, tell me up front, what other Stardock applications will fail to work correctly (or completely) if I want to run OB2? Will SVD fail in some manner? How about IconX? Or WFX? Or WindowBlinds? Or DesktopX? Will I have to sacrifice a feature from one Stardock application, just so I can run another Stardock application?

I like Stardock programs, I really do, but it seems to me that you all aren't giving as much thought to making all of your programs work together as you are to giving your applications the coolest new features.
Reply #32 Top
I know I'm going to sound ungrateful, but weather widgets and stock tickers and cpu meters just don't do anything for me - I'm more concerned that some of the bugs that have been reported are actually fixed, for instance

- submenus not closing automatically (have to right click it and select Close Bar)
- filesystem menus not showing all of the context menu entries
- systray icons sometimes not showing up
- windows taskbar keeps unhiding itself (I eventually wrote something myself to keep it hidden)


Rob
Reply #33 Top
It's good that OB is being thoroughly tested. Too many programs these days are released with bugs.

I was hoping that I'll be able to use OB2 to make a sidebar. Am I correct? I'm not a skinner and not too technical about modifying widgets. I was hoping that I'd be able to make a sidebar and plug in some widgets. Am I off base here? I like the way the Google sidebar works, but I don't want to use it. I want to use the Stardock products.
Reply #34 Top
Is it still coming out this week?
Reply #35 Top
Is it still coming out this week?


No word from Jeff this morning.
Reply #36 Top

We try to do product releases on Tuesdays.  I'm going to track down Jeff today to make sure we're still on-track for tomorrow.

I'm running the first release candidate we got late last week, and I'm really digging it   

Reply #37 Top
It's coming this week. Final testing is going on as I speak.
Reply #38 Top
Reply #41 Top
It's supposed to come out today. I guess we'll hear about it pretty soon.


Where did you read/see/hear that?
Reply #42 Top
looks good, think I'd rather have this than the vista sidebar .. but i like the vista gadgets so hope to see some similar of those for it

how wasy to customize to it ? pity we couldn't drag widgets onto it which would dock ..
Reply #43 Top
Where did you read/see/hear that?


Well, last week zoomba posted this.

Just an FYI, ObjectBar 2.0 has been delayed a week to allow for some final tweaks and testing. We're trying our best to make sure 2.0 is as stable and high-quality a release as possible.

I apologize for the delay.


And new releases do tend to come out on tuesdays.
Reply #44 Top
Very nice but where are the themes shown here?
Reply #45 Top
The SDC description of ObjectBar still says "for" Windows 2000 & Win XP. If it's indeed not going to be officially supported for Win2K, that should finally be changed (it's been mentioned a number of times over the past year).

And I second the suggestion that the installer should be modified to allow installation on a Win2K rig if it "should" work even if not officially supported.

Is there documentation describing which graphics it pulls for what from where when using the "Use Windowblinds Skin" setting?

Thanks. Been looking forward to OB2 forever, it seems, especially because 1.65 is so crippled on Win2k.
Reply #47 Top
I'm really hoping these vista-fied relaunches are going to revitalise these products. I have always found the likes of objectbar and desktopX to be too buggy and prone to re-organising themselves at random to be of any practical use to me... I'm really hoping and praying that this will be the iteration that finally gets it right useability-wise...

Fingers crossed!
Reply #48 Top
where can i find the ObjectBar about world of warcraft
Many OB bars can apply a WB skin.  Find one you like and go for it.  Other than that . . you may have to build your own.

I have always found the likes of objectbar and desktopX to be too buggy and prone to re-organising themselves at random to be of any practical use to me
  I haven't seen that in a few builds now.  You might want to try again.
I'm really hoping and praying that this will be the iteration that finally gets it right useability-wise...
What's missing now?  Without feedback Stardock doesn't know what needs tweaking.  I think OB crosses the line out of customization and into productivity and is really personal to each user.  My bar fits me perfectly but may be useless for soemone else.  Nature of the beast.
Reply #49 Top
When will this work in Vista?? I miss it.    I just got the new beta today and is still just for XP
Reply #50 Top
I'm using OB in Vista and everything is working (except the CPU meter plug-in).

From the Changelog:
2.10d beta
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-System tray support redone ; Vista now supported, overall reliability increased
-Taskbar handling improved ; Elevated applications will now show on the taskbar in Vista
-Fixed issues involving ObjectBar being ran “as administrator” under Vista.
-Taskbar hiding improved ; under Vista, the start button itself will now properly hide itself.
-Various other improvements involving Vista compatibility