President Bush, on Donald Rumsfeld

Gotta love a man of convictions!

from JoeUser Forums
He stands by his allies.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bush supports Rumsfeld because Rumsfeld was carrying out the Bush decisions. To pull support from Rummy would be Bush admitting that HE WAS WRONG.

Look at this war:

It was to be quick and clean – That is what Bush told the Pope
It was to cost about $40 Billion
We were to be received as liberators
There was NO indication that there would be an insurgency that threatens civil war.
It should have been over for us two plus years ago.

Let’s judge by results - Everything Bush told us was incorrect.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: COL GenePosted: Tuesday, April 18, 2006Bush supports Rumsfeld because Rumsfeld was carrying out the Bush decisions. To pull support from Rummy would be Bush admitting that HE WAS WRONG.Look at this war:It was to be quick and clean – That is what Bush told the PopeIt was to cost about $40 BillionWe were to be received as liberatorsThere was NO indication that there would be an insurgency that threatens civil war.It should have been over for us two plus years ago.Let’s judge by results - Everything Bush told us was incorrect.


All I hear is the bleating of sheep gene, if you changed your constant bashing of bush I might be able to read and hear something other than a one armed man beating on a one note gong.

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Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

wow moderateman you are way harsh to colgene.

Read Col Gene, and then comment on MM.  he was actually kind to CG.

As for Rumsfeld and the LMSM?  Reverse barometer.  Until they become the MMSM, we know that what they say is the wrong choice.

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
3 by spindoctor (Anonymous user)
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


wow moderateman you are way harsh to colgene.


no harsh is me ripping his beating heart out and eating it before he dies.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
4 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


LMSM


MMSM


definitions please?
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
3 by spindoctor (Anonymous user)
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


wow moderateman you are way harsh to colgene.


no harsh is me ripping his beating heart out and eating it before he dies.


"Why" would you try to poison yourself that way?
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
7 by drmiler
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


Why" would you try to poison yourself that way?


just when things look bleak you come along and make me laugh, thanx doc.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
What a pile of BS. There is not one thing I said in post #1 that is not 100% true. None of you Bushies can handle the truth. You are just like Bush. When you can not refute something you attack the person or change the subject.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Gene, you are the hands-down all-time Olympic champ in subject-changing, and you just attacked every person who supports our President (Bushies) so you can just quit calling the kettle black, you effing pot.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
#10 by Daiwa
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


Gene, you are the hands-down all-time Olympic champ in subject-changing, and you just attacked every person who supports our President (Bushies) so you can just quit calling the kettle black, you effing pot.


get im, he is by far the single most rabid dog I have ever had the misfortune to read.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Moderateman Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2006
#9 by COL Gene
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


What a pile of BS. There is not one thing I said in post #1 that is not 100% true. None of you Bushies can handle the truth. You are just like Bush. When you can not refute something you attack the person or change the subject.


gene, my idiot child, if you paid any attention to anything but your own diseased thoughts about bush, you would have noticed I voted a democratic ticket straight through and including GORE, you bleeding ulcer on the hind quarters of humanity. now beat it! before I pimp slap you.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderatemen

I was pointing out the facts about this war in response to your comments such as:


Donald is doing a fine job says George, and I agree!

Yer cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

This is one of the traits I so ADMIRE about Bush, his loyalty and plain speaking about who stays and who goes.


Thye question was not who you voted for it was about Bush supporting Rumsfeld


I tried to explain WHY Bush would support Rumsfeld:

Bush supports Rumsfeld because Rumsfeld was carrying out the Bush decisions. To pull support from Rummy would be Bush admitting that HE WAS WRONG.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
What a pile of BS. There is not one thing I said in post #1 that is not 100% true. None of you Bushies can handle the truth. You are just like Bush. When you can not refute something you attack the person or change the subject.


Gene, "before" you start running that festering sore you call a mouth, just maybe should go read this. Don't forget to apply comprehension while doing so.

Link

And then shut up.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

LMSM


MMSM


definitions please?

LMSM - Liberal Mainstream Media

MMSM - Moderate Mainstream Media

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler;
That Petition does not changed ANY of the FACTS pointed out by these Generals. Rumsfeld is the one that refused to use the military plan to attack Iraq and the result is that we DID NOT have the force levels to prevent the violence we see today. Almost ALL the senior Generals including Powell have admitted WE DID NOT send the troop levels needed to establish and maintain security. That failure is responsible for MOST of the dead and injured and it was Rumsfeld that is responsible for not following the plans developed by the military that HAVE THE knowledge and experience to KNOW what is required to conduct a military operation.

Your mouth is a festering sore of ignorance and misinformation.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Napoleon famously observed that War is too important to be left to Generals. What he meant by that is simple:Soldiers fight and die on the battlefield nd the civil political leadership makes all the strategic decisions. Secretary of State Condi Rice seems to have forgotten this piece of Napoleonic wisdom when she observed in London that a thousand tactical blunders were made, thereby blaming the military for the failure to produce results. The US leadership set an impossible mission : War against Islam and what is called Islamic Terorrism. Such a war requires both human intelligence and hard military tactics. Unfortunately there was all round failure on the humit front. Even in Iraq the Generals asked for nearly 3 times the number that was finally granted in order to perform the job. In this context a former general of the US Marine Corp has demanded the resignation of the Secretary of Defence. It is ofcours now abundantly clear that the leadership of the Iraq War has been poor right from the start and that there were monumental blunders all along: Paul Bremmer's decision to disband the Iraqi Army must rank the foremost of such blunders and the decision to encourage Shiaa against the Sunni is perhaps the second. Yet for a former military commander to publically call for the resignation of Secreatary of Defence undermines the concept of civilian control of the military, the bedrock of democratic regimes. Even if the present Secretary is removed, it will not make any difference as far as Iraq is concerned because the civil war in Iraq will carry on with a momentum of its own.

It is just too cute on the part of retired generals to cry foul when in fact there is now little chance of the USA emerging from Iraq with its prestige intact. The US soldier can do without former generals snapping at his feet. I feel that it is for the civilian leadership both at the Congress and the White House to decide the strategic objectives of the War and decide on the right exit option. Let former soldiers just fade away.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: COL GenePosted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006drmiler;That Petition does not changed ANY of the FACTS pointed out by these Generals. Rumsfeld is the one that refused to use the military plan to attack Iraq and the result is that we DID NOT have the force levels to prevent the violence we see today. Almost ALL the senior Generals including Powell have admitted WE DID NOT send the troop levels needed to establish and maintain security. That failure is responsible for MOST of the dead and injured and it was Rumsfeld that is responsible for not following the plans developed by the military that HAVE THE knowledge and experience to KNOW what is required to conduct a military operation.


how about what tommy franks said? and then the retired chairman of the JC? hmmmmmmm you go with what bashes bush and totally ignore what supports him, that is why I trash you gene again I say "a one armed man beating a one note gong"
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Bahu VirupakshaPosted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006


holy baananas! we are in agreement on a subject, bless you!
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler;
That Petition does not changed ANY of the FACTS pointed out by these Generals. Rumsfeld is the one that refused to use the military plan to attack Iraq and the result is that we DID NOT have the force levels to prevent the violence we see today. Almost ALL the senior Generals including Powell have admitted WE DID NOT send the troop levels needed to establish and maintain security. That failure is responsible for MOST of the dead and injured and it was Rumsfeld that is responsible for not following the plans developed by the military that HAVE THE knowledge and experience to KNOW what is required to conduct a military operation.


It changes at least ONE FACT fool! The fact that you say nobody likes, respects or backs Bush or any of his administration. Over 140,000 people said different. Now go sit in the corner and "play with yourself", clown!

You've had your 3 troll cookies for the day, I can't give you any more.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
I see your point moderateman colgene just refuses to lokk at any facts that don't support his views.

Sorry for being so quick to condemn you.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
I see your point moderateman colgene just refuses to look at any facts that don't support his views.

Sorry for being so quick to condemn you.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Tommy Franks and Gen Myers caved into Rummy to reduce the troop levels in Op Plan 1003. Rummy sent Franks back three or four times to lower the troop levels and in the FINAL revision Franks prepared it called for 275,000 troops when Saddam Fell. Bush sent 150,000.

The proof is in the eating. Look at the mess we have in Iraq. Just about every senior general has said that we did not have enough troops to secure Iraq, even those that have NOT called for Rummy to resign. Gen Myers was an Air Force General and had no working knowledge of troop levels needed for an occupation.

Lets make it clear, the results of not providing the troop levels need to prevent the sectarian violence has resulted in about 2,000 dead and 15,000 combat injuries. If we had followed the plans that required 500,000 troops the insurrection would not have gotten started. We could have denied the access to the over 200 Ammo dumps that our enemies used to kill and injure our troops. We could have sealed the borders and kept out the terrorists that are now operating in Iraq and we could have protected the oil, water and electrical infrastructure. There is a very good chance that had the plans been followed, we would not have had most of the deaths and injuries we sustained during the OCCUPATION Phase. I think when our officials like Bush and Rumsfeld make choices that resulted in the death and injury to our military that they should be held accountable. The entire group- Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be OUT!
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
#23 by COL Gene
Wednesday, April 19, 2006


all I hear is a one armed man, beating a one note gong, gene save your breath.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderateman

That note is Bush and Rummy are responsible for the death of 2370 Americans and 17,500 combat injuries. That sounds like a VERY sour note to me!