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Pitbulls must be banned

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Pitbulls must be banned

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Enough is enough

What does it take to institute a National Ban on Pitbulls within the US?
Pitbulls are just too dangerous in the wrong hands.

Seems like every month I hear of a new mauling where a kid has been torn apart because of some careless owner.
Owners in these cases should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

I am using this forum to post each and every Mauling case that takes place.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Pit Bulls are strong dogs, and they *can* kill. Other dogs kill, too. You don't hear about it as much because of the attention that Pit Bulls get. And, it's self feeding. People buy pit bulls because other people are scared of them. A lot of pit bulls are specifically trained to be mean. Rots can be just as good killing machines (which happens a lot in Detroit area) but they don't get the publicity that pit bulls do.


German Shephards used to get the publicity, then they were considered to not be as dangerous as they used to be. Then it was Dobermans, then Rotweilers, now Pit Bulls. Not that I don't think Pit Bulls are inherently more dangerous than the others, I do, but it seems that we always have to have a "devil." I wonder which breed will be next.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
You can't legislate away personal responsibility.


Oh Dynosaur, but that is what they try to do. It isn't the shooter's fault, it's the gun laws. It isn't the pet owner's fault, it the pet laws. It isn't the driver's fault, it is the driving laws. Blah Blah Blah!
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Holding the owner "responsible" obviously doesn't help, because these breeds continue to kill people. Someone's 200 pound "baby" tears your kid to pieces and they go to some minimum security jail for a couple of years. I'm sure it is satisfying.


That's the point, we don't hold the owners any more responsible than we hold people who cause fatal car accidents.

Also, our penal system is not meant to "satisfy" the victim (or the perpetrator or that matter), it is meant to "satisfy" the demands of justice.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
I saw a kid get attacked by a pit bull in the street in front of my house about two years ago. I went screaming at it and scared it off and, luckily, a cop was nearby and heard the commotion. The dog ran into my back yard and I told the cop SHOOT IT!! which he reluctantly did. Didn't bother me a bit, I had a .38 special in the house but didn't have enough time to get to it. The kid was taken by ambulance to the hospital and got over twentysomething stitches. His parents were glad I was there. So was I!

Just my two cents...
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
I saw a kid get attacked by a pit bull in the street in front of my house about two years ago. I went screaming at it and scared it off and, luckily, a cop was nearby and heard the commotion. The dog ran into my back yard and I told the cop SHOOT IT!! which he reluctantly did. Didn't bother me a bit, I had a .38 special in the house but didn't have enough time to get to it. The kid was taken by ambulance to the hospital and got over twentysomething stitches. His parents were glad I was there. So was I!

Just my two cents...


And I have absolutely ZERO problem with your response. The author of this thread,however, is proposing a FAR MORE EXTREME solution.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Once they are euthanized, they will need to be properly disposed of. All of this comes at a cost that will likely run into billions.


Can you tell us how you came to "One Billion Dollars!..." (Dr Evil) for this again?
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
I saw a kid get attacked by a pit bull in the street in front of my house about two years ago. I went screaming at it and scared it off and, luckily, a cop was nearby and heard the commotion. The dog ran into my back yard and I told the cop SHOOT IT!! which he reluctantly did. Didn't bother me a bit, I had a .38 special in the house but didn't have enough time to get to it. The kid was taken by ambulance to the hospital and got over twentysomething stitches. His parents were glad I was there. So was I!

Just my two cents...


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Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
And I have absolutely ZERO problem with your response. The author of this thread,however, is proposing a FAR MORE EXTREME solution.


I have to admit, I'm not that crazy about banning anything, but I do think that the people who own them should be held 100% responsible and liable both civilly and criminally. Just like me with my potentialy very lethal .38 special.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Can you tell us how you came to "One Billion Dollars!..." (Dr Evil) for this again?


do you fail to understand the word "likely" as in,"will LIKELY" run into the billions? Have you researched court costs for the thousands of court cases that will almost certainly arise? Anyway, I wasn't presenting a precise figure, which SHOULD have been clear for anyone capable of reading English in context, but, (shrug), I guess I can't take that capacity for grantednow, can I?
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
I do think that the people who own them should be held 100% responsible and liable both civilly and criminally.


OK, and legislation to that effect I would support.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
"A pit bull is not a dog that can survive in the wild."


Depends on what you call the wild. In the attack I witnessed the dogs in question were "wild", i.e. they had been "set out", scavenged, thrived and multiplied. The community had no animal control, and it was "animal cruelty" (i.e. illegal), in the state to kill them.

"That's the point, we don't hold the owners any more responsible than we hold people who cause fatal car accidents. "


In the case I witnessed, there was no "owner", so no PERSON was to blame. Sadly, it wasn't satisfying taking the dog apart, either, given the situation. Most cases the whole thing gets tied up with the lawyer for the owner saying the dog felt threatened or something insipid like that. Who gives a damn what the dog "feels"?

Why should we all get fined or face jail time for killing threatening dogs when everyone knows they are threatening? If I shoot a dog in my yard in most states, I go to jail. I don't have a problem with the law giving PEOPLE the benefit of the doubt, but like I said a dog is only slightly higher on the food chain than the roast I am making for supper.

Why the hell should a dog be granted "rights" that threaten our kids? Banning guns wouldn't stop murder, because people would just use another tool. No pit bulls, no pit bull attacks.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
do you fail to understand the word "likely" as in,"will LIKELY" run into the billions? Have you researched court costs for the thousands of court cases that will almost certainly arise? Anyway, I wasn't presenting a precise figure, which SHOULD have been clear for anyone capable of reading English in context, but, (shrug), I guess I can't take that capacity for grantednow, can I?


Wow calm down

Just because you Black listed me from your site doesn't mean you have to get your panties in a bunch here. You said in the Billions I said back it up, which you can't do.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
It wouldn't cost billions, unless we listen to people who keep acting like these are people. If we have to have little funerals or something maybe. Maybe it makes me a "nazi", but I could come up with a few "final solutions" for pit bulls that wouldn't cost much at all.

People ruin the rights of others.

For instance, I'm not picky about what kind of barnyard animals my neighbors want to own. There will always be that guy, though, that doesn't care for them, lets them roam the neighborhood, lets them destroy other people's property, etc.

So, no one can own livestock in most suburban areas. Does that mean that to protect our right to own barnyard animals we have to let that idiot ruin our grass? Evidently, because even if he has to clean up his mess, the time and effort and trouble is still imposed on us. Sadly, it is easier just not to allow it at all.

People who own dangerous dogs screw things up for people who want to own reasonable animals. Is it testosterone or some kind of hippie "animal spirit" thing that makes people so die-hard about owning a particular breed of canine?
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just because you Black listed me from your site doesn't mean you have to get your panties in a bunch here. You said in the Billions I said back it up, which you can't do.


enough of the martyr complex,sushi. I blacklisted you because you REQUESTED IT. It's on record.

I said "LIKELY" run into the billions. Do I really need to drag out the definition of the word "likely", or can you do it yourself?

I am basing my GUESS that it will likely run into the billions on the fact that most pit bull owners will not surrender their dogs to be euthanized readily. They will file lawsuits, as will PETA and animal rights groups if the government begins euthanizing them.

I don't believe in the inherent "right" to own a vicious animal personally; that is why I don't own one. But I also don't believe in trying to legislate ourselves into a utopia, and that is the basis of my argument.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dear Mrs Jones,

We are very sorry about your little boy getting torn apart by that Pitbull.
We were close to doing something to stop these kind of attacks but we were told that it would LIKELY cost in the billions, so we gave up.

In the future we think it would be best if you just kept you children in at all times in stead of outside since we can only respond after the fact to these problems.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
To me the misconception is that in this case a law is somehow undermining personal responsibility. On the contrary, it is putting the responsibility where it belongs. Me, I blame the dogs.

Question: If a pit bull someone has happily and peacefully owned for 5 years wigs out and attacks a child, should the owner go to jail?

If you say yes, then you must think the owner should have known the breed is unpredictable and dangerous. If it is such, why have them at all?

If you say no, then how then do you define responsibility? A cash settlement? That makes me a tad nauseous...
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
Question: If a pit bull someone has happily and peacefully owned for 5 years wigs out and attacks a child, should the owner go to jail?


Yes, he should. Like I said, guns can be "loopy" too. If you got one, be prepared to take the responsibility for it. If you don't want that responsibility, then it's real simple. Don't have one!
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
You would think by the way some people talk here that being killed by a dog is on par with an accident. We undertake to limit our danger as much as possible.

If your neighbor's huge, dead tree hangs dangerously over your child's bedroom, you wouldn't be satisfied with the "Oh, well, things happen, any tree could kill people" response when it fell.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Like I said, guns can be "loopy" too."


Products that don't operate properly are recalled, and if the company refuses the government demands it. The problem is people are seeing dogs as some sort of spiritual being with rights to exist, instead of a flawed breed that has no natural right to exist.

To follow your analogy, if S&W made a revolver whose cylinder tended to be misaligned, they'd either recall it or be forced to eventually.

If a gun company made a flawed gun that tended to break its leash, wander into the neighbor's yard and kill their kids, I don't think many people would mind that gun being banned.
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
Never mind. If I see a pit bull approaching and acting aggressive and not on a leash with it's owner, I'm gonna shoot the damn thing. Plain and simple. I've seen what they can do...
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
" Never mind. If I see a pit bull approaching and acting aggressive and not on a leash with it's owner, I'm gonna shoot the damn thing. Plain and simple. I've seen what they can do..."


A friend of my father shot his own dog shortly after it had attacked some people going door to door from a local church. One person's pants were torn, no one was hurt, but the dog was trying its best to bite them.

The result? One of the members of the church group called the police and my Dad's friend was fined and issued a warning for animal cruelty. The judge had the power to do more than that. It's sad.

A defective breed of dog isn't any more confusing than a defective product. Take them off the shelves.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hmm...let's see, pitbulls aren't normally that aggressive...it's all about training. Everyone thinks they're so bad, any dog can be trained to be vicious. You might as well rid the entire world of any big and/or carnivorous animal if you want to ban dogs. Animals can attack, hurt, and kill people...but it's usually not their fault. Wild animals get pissed at people in their territory...dogs and other game animals attack because they're trained to. Stop the problem at it's source, people, don't blame the animal. Even if pitbulls could be successfully banned then dog fighters will choose a new breed to corrupt...

~Zoo
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
The average pit bull that attacks people isn't trained by dog fighters. Why do you wackos try and shift the blame away from the dog? This is not an inanimate object, it is not a robot you program.

Here's a solution for Gid's money problem. Make every donation to the effort come with an order of Mu Shu Pitbull... with a side of rice. feel the poor, get rid of defective animals.
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
Its a dog, one step up from the meat we eat at dinner. Does it really matter what sub-category you own?


People kill more people than pit bulls. Can we ban humans?

There are plenty of "defective brand" humans, Baker. Can we take them off the shelf permanently? Kill 'em?

In short ... you've got a few anecdotes and want to ban a whole class of animal. Like saying that if a few blacks kill other blacks, it must be an overwhelming trait of the species.

I wish somebody would ban you from whatever it is the next time you fuck up.

Jesus I'm so sick of the cut and dried, black and white, fer us or agin us way this site has to divide.

You all make me fucking sick.
Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
"There are plenty of "defective brand" humans, Baker. Can we take them off the shelf permanently? Kill 'em? "


I guess if you equate humans and dogs, sure, that would make sense. I support capital punishment for murderers. Given your Terri Sciavo judgements, I'd assume you'd have no problem wasting a dog, though it wouldn't be as easy as pulling out a tube, I suppose. Didn't you call her a "bitch"? Maybe you DO have dog issues...

Dogs aren't people, and we restrict the ownership of lots of animals. Breeds of dogs with high percentage of wolf are illegal to own without a permit and oversight. Myrrander and others want to make it all have some deep meaning, when society makes decisions like this all the time.

And yeah, they are just one step up from what we eat for dinner, and in some nations, they ARE dinner. To me, anyone that equates animals and people is already a little skewed. If you want to live stuck in some Disney film, fine, but the rest of us don't dress them up and pretend that they talk to us...

And if you bothered to look there are a lot of people who oppose me on this discussion that usually agree with me on other issues. It isn't "fer us or agin us way this site has to divide". You just feel more comfortable thinking that way. I guess you feel less of a kook.