I will leave you well enough alone if you two stop acting like 8th graders...

and if you don't my hypersonic super light ray from my megaspace satelite will beat you up

I'm just trying to have an intellectual discussion here. kona claims that OS X is somehow graphically better than XP. All I am asking for is technical information that proves that statement. That statement alone may only be an opinion and maybe XP and OS X are each just as capable of doing graphics.

I understand that you are trying to have an intellectual discussion.

the key word there is try.

Now about how osx is better graphically them xp. I don't know. But there might be an illusion of that since a large percentage of mac users are "graphically" inclined. If there is a difference it is small.

You can't justify something like "graphically better" with technical information. "graphically better" is an opinion and isn't a figure set in stone.

I do think the whole which platform does graphics better is a matter of opinion. There are artists here that have made amazing looking skins using Windows PCs. It seems to me there really is no difference in the quality of work that can be produced on both platforms.

I'm just trying to have an intellectual discussion here. kona claims that OS X is somehow graphically better than XP.

NO No No...

I was trying to point out that the processor and hardware setup of a mac handles graphic better and animation for movies better than a PC.

we are all guilty of what Frogboy writes, but your post up above was extremely unnecessary.

No, Travis, I disagree stronly. What I said was extremely needed.

Both Macs and PCs use the same graphic cards basically. The big difference between PC and Mac is the processors. Intel and AMD function differently than the Power PC processor. I am not sure if there is a difference in performance however. I know that XBOX 2 will be running on a Power PC rather than a Pentium. Which ever chip is better is not the factor in that decision, but goal of making XBOX 2 impossible to hack into and use as a PC using Linux. I believe they only want end users using their XBOXs for gaming because Microsoft loses money when you buy an XBOX. They cost more to make than the price they are selling them at. It is their hope to sell enough games to cover the manufacturing costs. Sorry about this going a bit off topic here, but my point was: what is the difference between Pentium/Athlon and Power PC?

AAHHHH YOU ARE SO MISERABLE SHUT UP

unnescesary,rude, and ruined the rest of your points.

No, Travis, I disagree stronly. What I said was extremely needed.

You should listen to Travis. Your statements got pretty close to the line that seperates an argument from a personal attack if in fact your statements don't cross that line.



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what is the difference between Pentium/Athlon and Power PC?

the power pc is risc based.

facts:1. Macs cost more than PCs.2. The same tasks that can be done on a Mac can be done on a PC.3. There is more software available for PCs than there is for Macs.

Your ignorance is astounding, TC.

1. Macs, comparably configured, cost the same, if not less, than PCs. Yes you can get a barebones peecee for $300, but if you want something that is as good as a $1700 G5, you'll need a $1700 PC.

2. Not true at all. Apple's video editing software is the industry standard for a reason. They do something no other software company can. AND it's only available for the mac. And to add to the list, GarageBand, iPhoto, iMovie...iLife altogether.

3. Yes, PCs have 50,000 progs, while mac has something like 7,000...but who wants 500 solitare progs, or 10,000 craptastic games...all of the well known software that is available for the PC is available for the mac. That includes games too.

the power pc is risc based.

Does this provide any significant advantages over Pentium/Athlon?

for some applications

Your ignorance is astounding, TC.

Again, try to stay as far from the border between argument and personal attack as possible.

TC, It's called Quark Xtreme, vs ActiveX or whatever MS decided to call their rip... Not sure if you've seen panther, TC, but Longhorn is gonna have to come out in 2050 if it wants to catch up.

you're right that the graphics cards are the same....but macs are set up to handle graphics better...

and it is more stable because it is UNIX based... that's a well known fact...

Again, try to stay as far from the border between argument and personal attack as possible

That isn't a personal attack, but I know you're putting in your best efforts to lure me into a trap where that might happen.

They do something no other software company can. AND it's only available for the mac.

ok well what can they do that no other machine can do ????

macrobaye, it seems to me you belong to the Church of Macintosh. Why are you spending your time at a Windows site?



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and it is more stable because it is UNIX based... that's a well known fact..

I hate it when people say this. it is true that it is based off of unix, but that has very little meaning to its stability. The programmers can and do make mistakes. Unix is not a "god" language and is entitled to mistakes. osx does crash, just not often. in fact from what I know xp and osx are about equal in terms of stability.

Quartz is just a fancy word for opengl

here is what apple says about it:

Here’s how it works Quartz uses the integrated OpenGL technology to convert each window into a texture, then sends it to the graphics card to render on screen. The graphics processor focuses on what it does best — graphics — freeing the PowerPC chip to do more operations in the same amount of time. Drawing windows, resizing, moving, scrolling — everything is zippier. And Panther even improves upon the considerable speed gains in Mac OS X.

ok well what can they do that no other machine can do ????

Try putting 8GB of RAM into a PC. Not gonna happen.

But on the discussion of software, specifically Final Cut Pro 4, Almost all editing is in real time, the filters are amazing and much more abundant than Adobe's...and put to use on the mac, aka the G5 or even dual g4, it is incredibly fast.

If the PC was better for graphics and vid editing, people would use it. But they don't. Well some do, but it's the industry standard for a reason.

I hate it when people say this. it is true that it is based off of unix, but that has very little meaning to its stability. The programmers can and do make mistakes. Unix is not a "god" language and is entitled to mistakes. osx does crash, just not often. in fact from what I know xp and osx are about equal in terms of stability.

I agree as a former "UNIX is god" believer.

macrobaye, it seems to me you belong to the Church of Macintosh. Why are you spending your time at a Windows site?

You really are miserable. I feel sorry for you know. I'm really sorry TC, I really am. Anything that I can do? Didn't think so...

Well, believe it or not, Macs can use the wallpapers and icons here. And I can bet you that a lot of mac traffic comes here.

But I am sad to say that right now I am using a PeeCee. the worst computer I've ever used. I have a mac, for graphics and vid editing, but this is my CD burning, internet viewing, AOL chatting machine... That's all it's good for.

its funny how sumone gripes abt others joking abt a mac .. but then rips all pcer's a new one .......
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Why are you using a "PeeCee" for CD burning, internet viewing, and AOL chatting when that godly Mac of yours could do all that?

I can tell when I am in a pointless discussion. I quit.