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Start11 v2.05 Changelog (Released 01/30/2024)

01/30/2024

Stardock: Released

Steam: Released

1/29/2024

Version updated
UI: 2.05
Start11Config.exe 2.0.5.4
This resolves an issue with jittering on the taskbar when in experimental center mode with certain non-integer scaling factors and depending on how many open windows there were.
Resolves a potential resource leak though highly unlikely to happen.
Fixed a painting issue that the UI had on scaling factors of 283% and higher

1/26/2024

Version updated
UI: 2.05
Start11Config.exe 2.0.5.3
Resolved issue with block behind some taskbar icons in enhanced mode
Adjusted overlay icon positions on enhanced taskbar
Resolved issue with custom tile images not appearing to save correctly when in a folder (they did but didn't show until a sign-out)
Resolved the issue with nvidia GeForce Experience overlay stopping the taskbar autohide working correctly

01/22/2024

Version updated
UI: 2.05
Start11Config.exe 2.0.5.2
Resolved issue with Win10 center taskbar mode not working on the primary display in 2.0.5.1
Resolved issue with tabs jumping around when switching tabs if data in the registry was saved in the wrong order due to an older build of S11
Stopped pinned websites being added to suggested lists as not apps
Resolved issues with the corruption of text on occasion

01/19/2024

Language Updates

Korean: Credit https://github.com/pb29
Chinese - Simplified: Credit: https://github.com/chyanbo
Spanish: Credit https://github.com/FJMatad
French: Credit https://github.com/d-faure

New text block for 2.05 added to en.lng and the 8 other supported languages. Changes can be seen at the bottom of the en.lng file in \Start11\Lang\en.lng

Translations updated on GH project

Program Changes

Version updated
UI: 2.05
Start11Config.exe 2.0.5.1
Resolved issue with Win10 style folders sometimes painting the icons too far left on multi-column setups
Performance improvements for initial startup time on login
Resolved Taskbar clipping of system tray icons popup arrow on certain scaling factors
Resolved issue with experimental mode centred taskbar buttons getting stuck in a repositioning loop on very odd non-standard scaling factors
Resolved a possible issue of a right-click jumplist being stuck at the top of the screen in very rare circumstances
Resolved issue with centered taskbar buttons losing one of the buttons on another line incorrectly when the icons have to be shifted along due to insufficient space for center mode
Resolved issue with refreshing custom tile images via the refresh icons right-click menu item where sometimes icons remained blank in error
Added an option to pin a web URL to Start11 directly
Added option to make Start11 obtain the favicon for a given pinned URL automatically (off by default as will make internet connections)
Adjustments to potentially help with being unable to drag the top line of the top group around sometimes
Resolved issue with Winkey opening the Start11 menu when Winkey set to open the Microsoft Windows Start menu and closing the menu
Resolved issue with icons being larger on non-Win10 style menus when synced from OS pins when using Win10 menu
Pinned items set to secondary only will now not jump back to primary display if you have only one monitor
Added option to make pins show on secondary unless you only have one monitor when they go on the primary instead
Further autohide taskbar tweaks to resolve ShareX blocking autohide taskbar from unhiding on Win11

1/10/2024

Version Updated
Start11Config.exe: 2.0.5.0
Start11 UI \ About: 2.05
Support added for swiping up from the bottom of a tablet screen to open the start menu
Resolved open file location not working on Steam shortcuts
Make all programs list scroll to the top when using search on it to stop things being offscreen on occasion
Further autohide adjustments
Resolved issue with not being able to use Win11 style folders with the Win10 menu
Prevented refresh of recent docs whilst subfolders are open
Win11 style folder animations speeded up slightly
Resolved issue causing folder animations to run slower than they should on lower-end hardware
Resolved memory leak in Explorer on Windows 11
Added Pin to Start option for menu mode all programs with Win7/Modern style menus
Resolved issue with pinned items set to show on all monitors
Small tweaks to autohide mode to see if it helps with it not working right when no windows are open at all
Resolved notification center appearing in the wrong place on Win11 in certain circumstances
Resolved custom tile PNG loading corrupting the alpha channel
Made right-click open animations 20% quicker
Resolved autohide + center mode on Win11 having screen dirt sometimes

12/20/2023

Version
Start11Config.exe: 2.0.4.1
Start11 UI \ About: 2.04
Start11 v2 for Business made available
Resolved Win10 folder mode when using Win11/Pro/Launcher/App style menus causing icons to be placed on top of each other
Resolved unpinning from Start11 not unpinning from OS on some versions of Windows
Resolved Start10 style search showing double entries for Universal apps
Improved filtering on recent documents menus
Resolved issue with sniping tool not showing on taskbar correctly after taking a screenshot with enhanced taskbar enabled
Resolved issue with top aligned taskbar and Win+X menu having an offset for mouseover
Suggested apps now filters for uninstalled apps / missing shortcuts
Suggested apps refresh correctly on app launch now
Resolved recent documents list not refreshing as often as it should for Win11/Pro/App/Launcher menu styles
10) Enhanced Start11 style search to factor in filename and path for apps
Resolved issue with taskbar combining only pinned items causing extra space to be reserved that is not needed
Tweaked everything support to also support 1.5a if installed
Resolved memory leak on reloading the all-apps list
Resolved issue with right-hand side flicker when closing an app when using experimental center mode for the enhanced taskbar
Tweaks to how the taskbar shows over games
Updated build again with a fix for double touch input on the enhanced taskbar when tapping very quickly.

The new feature this enables is the import of settings on login (or explorer restart). This will zap all settings and replace them with the data in the file provided.
The key for this is SettingsImportPath which takes a full path to a settings backup saved from S11. This is stored here : HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8

Updated French from community submission
https://github.com/StardockCorp/Stardock-Software-Localization/pull/38
Added Portuguese from community submission
https://github.com/StardockCorp/Stardock-Software-Localization/commit/91af74ef1a0d254219d1a8bb8143e41234bbe15d
Updated Swedish from community submission
https://github.com/StardockCorp/Stardock-Software-Localization/pull/26

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Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

Icon refresh issue under certain conditions
https://forums.stardock.com/524005/start-11-v2-task-bar-icon-refresh
Internal ticket: ODNT-7536

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sdrohan

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I still can't make it work if the Taskbar is centered.

And If I use the default Start Button is even worse..

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I am at Windows 23H2 OS Build 22631.2861, laptop docked with multiple monitors, enhanced taskbar activated, most of the issues are here since the 2.9 version.

-Every time I boot up I have to restart windows explorer from the task manager, the taskbars remain blank at the original Win11 size

- Impossible to pin items on the secondary taskbars and primary taskbar, option at All Displays is not working, only Primary or Secondary.

- The new option to open the start menu on the screen where the cursor is works fine. But with right click (open the Win+X menu) it opens on the primary monitor, whereas it works well with the normal Windows 11 taskbar

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sdrohan

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Its best to focus on 1 thing at a time, Nikosyan...

Quoting Nikosyan,

reply 5

I am at Windows 23H2 OS Build 22631.2861, laptop docked with multiple monitors, enhanced taskbar activated, most of the issues are here since the 2.9 version.

-Every time I boot up I have to restart windows explorer from the task manager, the taskbars remain blank at the original Win11 size

I suspect you mean the taskbar is blank until you reboot Windows Explorer, yes, but its fin after you do, correct?

If you remove the PC from the docking station, reboot, do you see this issue? If not, and then you connect to the docking station, is the issue then present or no, its fine?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

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Quoting sdrohan,

reply 6

Its best to focus on 1 thing at a time, Nikosyan...

Quoting Nikosyan,

reply 5

I am at Windows 23H2 OS Build 22631.2861, laptop docked with multiple monitors, enhanced taskbar activated, most of the issues are here since the 2.9 version.

-Every time I boot up I have to restart windows explorer from the task manager, the taskbars remain blank at the original Win11 size

I suspect you mean the taskbar is blank until you reboot Windows Explorer, yes, but its fin after you do, correct?

If you remove the PC from the docking station, reboot, do you see this issue? If not, and then you connect to the docking station, is the issue then present or no, its fine?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

The problem appears when I start or restart the laptop docked with the multiple monitors, then most of the time I have to restart windows explorer.

If I just start the laptop, there is a slight delay, it starts with the fat Win11 taskbar but then almost immediately after, the Start11 takes over. If I then dock the laptop, Start11 taskbar remains ok. Hope that helps.

Any idea about the rest of the issues?

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Resolved issue with right-hand side flicker when closing an app when using experimental center mode for the enhanced taskbar

Confirmed fixed. Now I can use enhanced taskbar since w11's version is ugly and doesn't always name the buttons properly.

Any word on a "Forget desktop" option for pages? Even if I delete a page when I recreate it, it remains assigned to the desktop I set it at.

Thanks for this update great work folks.

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The issue regarding the messed up icons ( #81 in https://forums.stardock.com/524216/page/4/#replies) ist still unresolved.

Very annoying to be forced to kill and restart windows explorer very often during a working day.

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This issue...
Taskbar Auto-Hide Broken » Forum Post by trparky (stardock.com)
Still exists. Come on, fix this already!

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Quoting trparky,

reply 10

This issue...
Taskbar Auto-Hide Broken » Forum Post by trparky (stardock.com)
Still exists. Come on, fix this already!

Unfortunately it is not reproducible here. Autohide works as expected with or without any windows open.

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Issue Description

Taskbar Flickering After 'Win+Tab' Usage on Windows 11

Steps to Reproduce

Upon system start, the taskbar operates normally.
Press 'Win+Tab' to enter Task View. Exiting Task View seems to trigger a flickering bug.
After exiting Task View, any subsequent press of the 'Win' key (twice to open and close the Start menu) results in taskbar flickering.

The flickering issue can only be resolved by restarting the computer. However, accessing Task View and then exiting it causes the problem to reappear.

Supporting Information

Demonstration Video: [Link to Google Drive video]
System Configuration:
- OS: Windows 11 version 23H2 (Build 22631.2861)
- Start11 Version: 2.04 and earlier versions
Additional Context:
- The issue was observed on a laptop connected to an external monitor.

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Quoting Neil Banfield,

reply 11

Quoting trparky,

reply 10

This issue...
Taskbar Auto-Hide Broken » Forum Post by trparky (stardock.com)
Still exists. Come on, fix this already!

Unfortunately it is not reproducible here. Autohide works as expected with or without any windows open.

What? Does anyone at your company not have a multiple monitor setup?

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I consider this issue with the taskbar buttons getting garbled every time I click on the start menu while the taskbar being centered troubling to say the least.

You SHOULD take your full time on fixing these things. I paid for the original Start11 and then I paid again for the Start11v2 only to find a program that is half working.

We are using our PC's all day long. Do you have any idea how tiresome is, having to restart the Explorer every time the Taskbar gets corrupted?.

You cannot provide software that people is paying for it to then ignore what people is complaining about. Can someone please answer me on what should I do with my taskabar?.

You've marked the "center taskbar" with autohide as Experimental and yet, this is the DEFAULT behavior of Windows 11 if this program weren't installed and the whole issue I'm having is that the taskbar wants to align the buttons to the left and it is corrupting the Start Button and the first button after the Start. It shouldn't be THAT hard to fix it somehow seeing as I can partially fix it by applying a custom Start Image. Yet, I still get corruption in the form of a line.

Either fix it or tell me WHERE should I look to fix it. Or at least, give me a reply if you are taking a look at this case. You should have a ticket system where we can report issues that you can actually follow up. It's very very annoying and it generates a lot of frustration to have to read about tons of forum posts only to see that no developer ever answers to you.

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Creating PinMenu items on the taskbar seems ineffective now.

I have auto-hide enabled(bottom), and when trying to create the icon, the taskbar briefly appears... but there's no new icon. I tried browsing a folder on my desktop, I tried using one of those pre-selected filtered folders. I tried turning off auto-hide, restarting explorer and rebooting.

The PinMenu program still seems to work when invoked manually, but Start11 doesn't want to make an icon for it since updating to this beta?

EDIT: Updating with some version numbers.

Start11v2 2.0.4.1-j59
Windows 11 Home; 22H2; 22621.2861

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Quoting JLJTGR,

reply 15

Creating PinMenu items on the taskbar seems ineffective now.

I have auto-hide enabled, and when trying to create the icon, the taskbar briefly appears... but there's no new icon. I tried browsing a folder on my desktop, I tried using one of those preselected filtered folders. I tried turning off auto-hide, restarting explorer and rebooting.

The PinMenu program still seems to work when invoked manually, but Start11 doesn't want to make an icon for it since updating to this beta?

Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. Need to know more on your system.

Windows full version number. Use Winver.exe
Taskbar bottom or top.

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

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Can we get an update on Internal ref: ODNT-7441? It wasn't addressed in the version. Thanks

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1. Enhancement: PIn folder menus are excellent but they are missing one feature. Right now you can only place shortcuts to standard apps. If it is doable, it would be great if we can pin windows store apps to the pinned folder. For example, I want to have a pinned folder called games so I don't clutter my taskbar with game stuff when I'm working, but I can't pin my laptops game performance tool (omen) in that folder.

2. (issue?): I have the (show betas) option enabled on object desktop and currently have 2.03 installed, but neither obejct desktop nor the check for updates in Start V2 itself show 2.0.4

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Hello,

Quoting CIOXX,

reply 18

2. (issue?): I have the (show betas) option enabled on object desktop and currently have 2.03 installed, but neither object desktop nor the check for updates in Start V2 itself show 2.0.4

Sorry to hear you are having issues. But, this is what I get on my system with Start11 v2.04 installed.

Thanks
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

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Quoting JLJTGR,

reply 15

Creating PinMenu items on the taskbar seems ineffective now.

I have auto-hide enabled(bottom), and when trying to create the icon, the taskbar briefly appears... but there's no new icon. I tried browsing a folder on my desktop, I tried using one of those pre-selected filtered folders. I tried turning off auto-hide, restarting explorer and rebooting.

The PinMenu program still seems to work when invoked manually, but Start11 doesn't want to make an icon for it since updating to this beta?

EDIT: Updating with some version numbers.

Start11v2 2.0.4.1-j59
Windows 11 Home; 22H2; 22621.2861

Hello,
I can not reproduce your issue on my system. Please post a video showing us your issue so we understand your issue. Refer to the video I made below. This was made with older Start11 v2 version, but I tested with V2.04 and I get the same result as what shown in this video.

Thanks
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

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Quoting basj,

reply 20

Hello,
I can not reproduce your issue on my system. Please post a video showing us your issue so we understand your issue. Refer to the video I made below. This was made with older Start11 v2 version, but I tested with V2.04 and I get the same result as what shown in this video.

Thanks
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

You don't seem to allow video attachments, so here's a GIF...

Start11v204-PinMenu

You'll notice that each time I try to create one, the taskbar pops up... but nothing new is added. With autohide turned off, there is no visual cue that Start11 is doing anything at all.

As I mentioned before, this was working for the normal 2.03 release.

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Quoting JLJTGR,

reply 21

You don't seem to allow video attachments, so here's a GIF...

You'll notice that each time I try to create one, the taskbar pops up... but nothing new is added. With autohide turned off, there is no visual cue that Start11 is doing anything at all.

As I mentioned before, this was working for the normal 2.03 release.

Please try this, uninstall Start11, reboot immediately after uninstall finished. Re-download the latest version again, reinstall using it. Reboot again immediately after installation finish. Retest and report back.

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

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still waiting for the option to change taskbar height in pixels!

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Still waiting for the Taskbar left alignment bug with Start button to get fixed.

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Come to think of it, object desktop has never displayed that word beta on any of the apps

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