Start11 makes windows general rendering laggy

I've found the setting that is creating the latency.  It is the setting to show the Start Button.

Under

Tastkbar -> Advanced Options -> Show start button on the primary monitor taskbar

If that option is set to OFF, meaning that Start works by means of pressing the start button, everything is snappy.  As soon as I enable the Start button icon, everything starts to lag again, visible when windows are closing.

I feel cheap but I somehow fixed this by means of TaskBarX

The start button that you guys are inserting is creating lag and latency all over.

I've remember that TaskbarX allowed to insert the start button by means of a shortcut onto the taskbar as a "Windows Button" app call.

The direct link for the icon shortcut is: "C:\Program Files\taskbarx\TaskbarX.exe" -showstartmenu

With this neat trick, I am only using taskbarX to open up YOUR START11 start menu and the latency is gone, because I disabled the option to show the Start button from Start11

Surely If I can make the start button work with this trick and without latency, you can fix the start button latency.

Nobody else spotted the increase in latency by using the start button?.

I would be glad if someone does this same test and can confirm this is happening

This appears to be specific to closing TaskManager, possibly because of the system tray icon is destroys too.

We have resolved this for the next update, thanks for reporting this.

OH THANK YOU SO MUCH!.

As soon as you have an update file, would you be so kind to post it here?.  I will be the first one to test it out.

Any news regarding the update?.

There is a new beta release Start11 V1.18 : You can refer here : https://forums.stardock.com/511199

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

I've tried it.  But it doesn't seem to fix the issue with the Start Button and the Task Manager.  It is still closing awfully slow when the Start button is present.

Please report your issue on that Feedback thread, so Support and Dev team can see and help from there.

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

I've described the issue on this same thread and you said that you've fixed this in the next release.

I did not said it. Neil said it. He the main Dev. And he did use "possibly" in his word. So this might be something else. Best to wait and see what his input on this.

Thank you,

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant

This was resolved based on testing here.

Please uninstall Start11, REBOOT and then install the update.

Oh thank you!.  I will try this right away!

Thank you so much for fixing this so quick.  The issue appears to be solved now.

I'm sorry to report that the lag after closing the Task Manager is here again and it's worse than before.  I can't disable stuff to get my speed back.  It is laggy no matter what.

The only solution is to completely uninstall Start11.

Well, the latency is coming from Start11 apparently connected to the auto-hide taskbar animation, even if the animation is not running and the taskbar is fully hidden.  If I remove the autohide Taskbar, everything works but this is truly a no-go for an OLED screen as Desktop.

You should fix this.  People with OLED screens will immediately catch this lag on the Task Manager.  I use the Task Manager all the time.  I've spent quite an amount of money to have a fast computer only for Start11 to make it look like my PC is laggy and slow.

Is the issue only with TaskManager?

Hello yes.  I've replied to you in the other thread.

The issue appears to be originating from within Windows and the miserable "Auto Hide Taskbar" animation. Even when I enable auto-hide and "disable" windows animations,  it seems that the animation time is still running.  I can detect this because I see a tiny bit of lag in the Taskbar showing up for when I have autohide taskbar without windows animations (this is even without Start11 running).

When Start11 is running, it appears that the Task Manager is "waiting"  on the "autohide"  animation even if the animation is not currently running.  Feels to me that it is actually "executing"  the "hide animation" when the taskbar is already hidden.

So I went the other way.  I've completely disabled autohide taskbar functionality on Windows and used this instead to hide the taskbar

https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Microsoft/AutoHideDesktopIcons

This also fixed other awful issue of the insidious autohide taskbar in Windows... the white line on the bottom.  With this program the line is also gone, a true hidden taskbar.  After this program is active, it is like the taskbar is always opened for Start11 and since there is no animation,  the Task Manager is fast again !

Well.  I take it that the developers do not accept any kind of feedback regarding their software.

Since no other solution exist to conveniently hide the taskbar and since the AutoHide taskbar animation from windows is slowing down the Task Manager when Start11 is working,  maybe the developers could ADD the autohide taskbar animation so people with OLED panels can keep using the software.

Why would you say this when Neil originally responded with the fix (in Reply #12) within four days of your original post. And your reply was "Thank you so much for fixing this so quick. The issue appears to be solved now."

As I have said before; Stardock has one of the best tech support teams in the industry.

Yes it has.

Maybe I expressed it wrong and I'm sorry.  This is purely out of frustration out of the current state of the autohide Taskbar.

If you go and search the entire internet for a solution to this you will see NONE.

The autohide taskbar animation is slowing down the Task Manager closing when Start11 is active.  The only solution to this dilema is to stop using the autohide from windows and use the software I've posted here (which is also buggy).

It would be great if Stardock could somehow fix this by implementing their own Autohide taskbar since they pretty much control most of what happens on the Taskbar.

There are a lot of us with OLED panels that are victims of a market that does not know or don't care that we can't see "elements" of the desktop all the time because this will burn our screens in the long run.

I am running Windows 10 22H2 19045.1865 on my everyday work machine. I tested your issue on my device and there is definitely a lag when closing the Task Manager, and I mean no disrespect, but it is less than 1/2 a second and your gripe seems pretty petty. If you open and close the Task Manager 20 times every day, that costs you 10 seconds, if that, for the day. Yes it would be nice if it closed instantly, but this lag shouldn't be a deal breaker for using Start11 with the Auto Hide taskbar turned on.

Dear.  I understand what you're saying.  I work in QA and I just can't let it pass.

There is no such thing as  " it's just a minor lag".  There is lag which shouldn't be there, period.

If this software wants to be the best there is, they should fix things that are happening with their software.

Provided I understand that they do the best they can.  I am reporting a bug.  There is lag and it is created by the Windows Animation produced by the "autohide taskbar".   Somehow, Start11 is "waiting"  on that animation even when it should not wait at all and it is affecting the Task Manager.

This is not the first time that the Task Manager behavior is being affected by Start11, hence this post.  I'm doing my best to provide means to replicate the bug so they can fix it.

If all software were to discard "minor lag" here and there,  nothing will work correctly.  There is lag, there shouldn't be any lag. 

Hi all,

(windows 11 user)
8/11/2022 updated windows 11.
Don't think it has to do with any updates but something more direct and specific.

I just made an account because I think I figured out why there is a lag with the right clicking and lagging in general/freezes for my case using Start11 start-menu styles windows 10 style....

Issue:
- Insane right clicking lag in start-menu tiles/app list
- Disabling animations or anything you think directly of is not the solution. Windows 11 is built on the animate framework feature thing.
- Its the start-menu. It is conflicting with the windows 11 animations when right clicking anything start-menu.
- Start11 settings do not fix anything, you need to change settings with a windows option.

Fix: (It is somehow a temp fix and still slightly laggy if you are trying to be a speed demon. devs may need to look into this conflict)
Here is the fix for me: (you still need to keep some of the animations just for right clicking menus to fix):

- Search icon and search for>Adjust the appearance and performance of windows (it will open up <Performance Options>)


-Visual Effects tab
-click select Custom:
-disable everything except the following in the screenshot:
-Apply
-OK

- Make sure you do this! disabling this will not change anything beside bring back the lag:

-settings>accessibility>visual effects

-turn on animation effects
-keep transparency on, it does do anything beside conflict with start11 transparency if turned off.

Hope this helps.

quinn

Well I can tell you, I'm on Windows 10 and your tweak has reduce my lag closing the Task Manager from almost 2 seconds, down to a little less than 1 second.

It is still there, but much less prominent.

There is definitely something going on with Start11 and Windows Animations and it appears to be creating lag.  As I said earlier, seems like Start11 is "waiting" on Windows animations for some reason.