[0.915 Bug] Seems you get faction bonuses of Vassals

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I was playing Oracle Caresa and was at war with Lord Reliad and Altar. I noticed the "Request Surrender" options in diplomacy so I pushed him hard enough to accept. Upon his surrender his remaining cities self razed themsleves and all his Heroes/armies quit but Lord Relias did join me as a Hero. He was also white box with teh red X frozen at start and I got him moving with Explore at first. Then took control later. He also wasnt on my scroll bar as one of my units. So a whole series of bugs here.

 

Once he joined new Heroes that could be paid to join on the map cost became negative. I assume with Relias in my team I get his Natural Leader abilty but they weren't just free but sold for negative. They were actually bugged and couldn't be recruited at all rather than join and give me gold on top. I imagine it's a combination of his zero price and some discount Caresa has that makes the price negative.

 

I guess it does make sence that you get the faction bonus from the vassal as that is on the leader. I just wonder if other such bonuses cause problem between faction mixes. Probobly not as all the other faction leader abilities are specific to the Hero while Natural Leader affects the unhired Heroes in game. An object on the map reather than the actual leaders' stats.  

 

Maybe a simple fix would be to remove any discounts factions get between them and if anyone vassalizes Lord Relias they just get Heroes that cost zero.

 

 

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

I think it is a bug with Lord Relias himself that you inherited.  I get it when playing him alone without anyone surrendering to me.

Reply #2 from Elemental Forums Top

Hero hiring costs:

Its because some buildings lower the hire cost of champions, so when lord relias have a bonus to 100% reduced cost, and another building reduces it by an additional 25% the final number becomes negative. They probably should restrict the number from being negative.

That part is a "known" bug, it have been said before anyways, so waiting for a fix xD.

The first part with all the other bugs are very interesting though, and next time it would be nice if you posted some screenshots or stuff ;)

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

Star Control: Origins
Reply #3 from Elemental Forums Top

Yep interesting because in that other game with the stuck hero in my town I had a white red x box too. So it seems when you beat someone what happens is their leader gets frozen.

Reply #4 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Horsesfly, reply 3
Yep interesting because in that other game with the stuck hero in my town I had a white red x box too. So it seems when you beat someone what happens is their leader gets frozen.
End of Horsesfly's quote

Probably a safeguard so if it bugs out they wont move around too much.
But I have no idea, just hoping beta 4 solves all my problems xD

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

I thought it was because they had recently died and were immobilized?

Reply #6 from Elemental Forums Top

The red X when they surrender always happens.  It is the time period the former sovereign needs to come to grips with the fact he just got defeated.  They are immobile for a certain amount of time.  The weird part is, what ever city they were in, just disappears and the Sovereign is standing there in the middle of the field.

I also don't like the cities razing, they should join your Kingdom/Empire.

The injury "Broken Spirit" the Sovereign gets for surrendering is very debilitating as well.  I am curious if it wears off after a awhile. I usually just steal their spirit and move on.