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Starcraft 2 is out

Starcraft 2 is out

Will you buy it?

http://www.starcraft2.com

Starcraft 2 has just been released worldwide. With its' strong predecessor's success, do you think it will attract as many people? Are you planning on buying it?

I was selected as part of the beta and I only completed one game. I will not be buying it. I think I am too old for this. No matter how I try, I know I will never compete for the top spots. The RTS genre is less attractive to me today than it was back in the Starcraft days. That's just me.

What do you think?

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Reply #51 Top

Quoting Krazikarl, reply 45
I really wish that Blizzard would do something new for a change instead of releasing really well polished, but derivative games.  There is nothing wrong with making games that are heavily inspired by previous games (see Elemental and MoM).  But whenever Blizzard does it, it always ices a genre since so many people try and copy them.  The MMORPG genre got so stale after WoW (which was very similar to earlier generation MMORPGS) and the RTS genre got really stale after SC was released (and SC was very similar to lots of other late 90s RTS games).
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Blizzard is really good at what they do. Innovation isn't it. Taking existing systems and making them shine is what they excel at.

Seems to me (and you even said so yourself) that the real problem isn't Blizzard, it's all the other companies that try to copy Blizzard afterward and do a lousy job at it. All the games that tried to be WoW clones and did poorly because of it are a great example. Why play a lower budget clone when I can play WoW itself? That's just not a road to success.

Reply #52 Top

So.. I'm taking a break after several hours of campaign.  Just finished a super awesome mission where it alternates 3 minutes of daytime and nighttime.  At night mutant refugees pop up and swarm your base, during the day they hide underground and you swarm out and destroy their buildings (like 200 of them >.<).  Super fun :)

Graphics are fantastic.  Plenty of cut scenes to enjoy between every mission, or skip if you're not into that sort of thing.  Enjoying the voice acting as well.

Hard difficulty is giving me a nice difficulty level, not overbearing, but not too easy either.  No worries, there is still brute if you want super hard, + normal and casual.

Still used to being able to zoom in / out with my mouse wheel in the other games I play, but it's not really necessary since you can click on the map and be over there.  Minimap is as useful as always :)

I can't wait to see the rest of the missions after the one I just finished, especially after how they revamped the leveling quest system in WoW expac Cataclysm with creative and fun things rather than just a grind to get to the next level.

Reply #54 Top

I also have decided to pass on this and I'm very glad after seeing the horror stories on their website about not being able to play the Single Player game due to battle.net connectivity issues. ugh.
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It's pretty common to have launch day issues with any online service. I haven't gotten the chance to try for myself, but, it's not like it's not going to be fixed ASAP if it's a big problem.

Reply #55 Top

Quoting CyrusNunn, reply 54
Online registration and zero understanding of internet privacy.  No thanks.
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oh noes you have to have the internet.  At least you don't have to have a cellphone too.. like nobody in the world have those, but at least a few have internet.

Reply #56 Top

A group of friends I regularly play with are all hardcore RTS fans, and not one of us is interested in this.  One guy got into the beta and we all tried it out, and after the initial excitement wore off we all just kind of shrugged and went back to other games.  SC2 is TOO old school.  After seeing newer games try to advance the genre like Dawn of War 1, Company of Heroes, and Sins of a Solar Empire we just can't go back to a RTS where clicks per minute decides more games than real tactics.  Activision's obvious influence over some of their decisions and policies doesn't help either.

Maybe in a few years when they release a complete set for a heavy discount I'll take a look.

Reply #57 Top

Quoting 4Nana, reply 56



Quoting CyrusNunn,
reply 54
Online registration and zero understanding of internet privacy.  No thanks.


oh noes you have to have the internet.  At least you don't have to have a cellphone too.. like nobody in the world have those, but at least a few have internet.
End of 4Nana's quote

Feel free to educate yourself on the real issue before posting again.

Reply #58 Top

Quoting CyrusNunn, reply 58


Feel free to educate yourself on the real issue before posting again.
End of CyrusNunn's quote

Done.  You should go ahead and quit bitching about needing the internet in this day and age.

Reply #60 Top

Quoting Tridus, reply 51

Quoting innerpattern, reply 48You are a smart man PurplePaladin. The lack of LAN is pure lunacy and greed on Blizz's part and I hope they take a good hit in sales for it from the old fans. That coupled with the move of trying to make the game as "online"  as possible and forcefully spread the campaign over 3 products ensures a "no buy" from me.

Maybe in like 3-5 years when the actual full campaign is out I will get the battle chest.
As opposed to all their previous games that spread it out over two products?

SC2's campaign is so far ahead of anything Blizzard has put out before that people complaining about it at this point are just ridiculous.
End of Tridus's quote

 

A campaign with 1 playable race/storyline in a game that has 3 races is not a complete campaign. Play the campaign of SC1 w/o brood war for an example of what the SC2 campaign should have had in the original box.

Reply #61 Top

Quoting Annatar11, reply 55

I also have decided to pass on this and I'm very glad after seeing the horror stories on their website about not being able to play the Single Player game due to battle.net connectivity issues. ugh.

It's pretty common to have launch day issues with any online service. I haven't gotten the chance to try for myself, but, it's not like it's not going to be fixed ASAP if it's a big problem.
End of Annatar11's quote

 

I will not buy a game that requires an internet connection for single player. Period.

Reply #62 Top

Quoting innerpattern, reply 61

Quoting Tridus, reply 51
Quoting innerpattern, reply 48You are a smart man PurplePaladin. The lack of LAN is pure lunacy and greed on Blizz's part and I hope they take a good hit in sales for it from the old fans. That coupled with the move of trying to make the game as "online"  as possible and forcefully spread the campaign over 3 products ensures a "no buy" from me.

Maybe in like 3-5 years when the actual full campaign is out I will get the battle chest.
As opposed to all their previous games that spread it out over two products?

SC2's campaign is so far ahead of anything Blizzard has put out before that people complaining about it at this point are just ridiculous.
 

A campaign with 1 playable race/storyline in a game that has 3 races is not a complete campaign. Play the campaign of SC1 w/o brood war for an example of what the SC2 campaign should have had in the original box.
End of innerpattern's quote

I would argue that this allows for a much better campaign than having separate but whole campaigns in each game/expansion. I think the overall campaign(when all expansion are released) will be many times better than that of Brood Wars.

 

Reply #63 Top

Quoting Annatar11, reply 26
...This is blatantly untrue. There were tons of tournaments in the beta already. The two biggest were HDH Invitational and King of the Beta, which were independently sponsored (IRip and Razer) and awarded several thousand dollars each to the winner...
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And how many of those were LAN Tournaments?  There-in lies the problem.

Quoting Annatar11, reply 26
...It's not Blizzard that will be picking maps and saying "Hey, we're going to charge for this". It's the map creator that will request that his map be sold, and Blizzard either approves it or not. Assuming of course it ever makes it in.
End of Annatar11's quote

As I inferred, this process is not detailed and is subjective.  Blizzard are not selecting which maps are charged for, they've just placed themselves in the direct position of determining which maps are allowed to cost money.  It's a different route to the same thing.  As they take a slice of any profit made, obviously selecting the best content, such as new DotA, is in their best interests.  They won't be making US$15.00 map packs like Call of Duty, however if you want to play on the best maps you'll still need fork out more than the already steep asking price.  Considering there are still two purchases to be made for any Starcraft II multi-player, this is hardly fair.

Quoting 4Nana, reply 56
oh noes you have to have the internet.  At least you don't have to have a cellphone too.. like nobody in the world have those, but at least a few have internet.
End of 4Nana's quote

Congratulations, you're an example of the kind of person that allows companies like Activision Blizzard, EA Games and Ubisoft to treat their customers like shit. 
Why not charge US$200.00 for Starcraft II?  How many people in the world don't have that much money?  Why not make phone registration each time you wish to play the game a mandatory requirement?  How many people in the world don't have phones?  Real Starcraft II fans wouldn't care!!

Reply #64 Top

I'll get it eventually but I'm not in any hurry especially since it's $60.00.  It's just another RTS when you come down to it, just more polished then the rest.  I'm not a big RTS player to begin with and the ones I prefer are either large scale (Supreme Commander) or slower paced with pausing (Total War).  The original Starcraft was too hectic for me and this game looks similar.  I'm in the minority as I am mainly interested in the single player campaign, it sounds like it has some interesting concepts and I'm interested in the story.  Maybe I'll try multiplayer if the ranking system works well and lets me choose the kind of game I want to play but it's an afterthought at best.  I gave up on multiplayer with the old Starcraft when all my friends wanted to play at the fastest speed.  Never understood how they considered that fun.

Reply #66 Top

Quoting ZehDon, reply 64
Why not charge US$200.00 for Starcraft II?  How many people in the world don't have that much money?  Why not make phone registration each time you wish to play the game a mandatory requirement?  How many people in the world don't have phones?  Real Starcraft II fans wouldn't care!!
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Videogames are a luxury that most of the population of the planet cannot afford. Did you know that those bastard of the video game industry force you to have a computer to play them? Or a console? Like if everyone could have one!!!! And what is worst of all! The worst offender!!! You must be ALIVE to be able to play them!!!! WTF dudes??

:rolleyes:

24/7 online for single players games is a "no no" to me because they are supposed to be "single player". There could be exceptions (Dawn of War 2 for me), but only in case of extremely interesting games (and Dwn of War 2 is). Settlers 7 wasn't so interesting (well, I haven't played it and maybe it's the best damn thing in the planet, but I won't know).

Online activation? If I think that the game is good and that I'm going to have a very good time with it, I'll accept it (like Mass Effect, just to mention one). Not a fan of this mode but in some punctual cases can be "tolerated".

LAN and other multiplayer stuff? Honestly, I couldn't care less. If I want multiplayer, I play MMORPGs. If Elemental makes me change my mind (and I have the time for it), I may start caring about multiplayer more.

Companies trying to abuse your bank_account/wallet? Surprise! They have being doing it all your life and not just with videogames. Just remember that when taling about unnecesary things like videogames, that industry could go to hell and, unless you are psycologically dependant, you would survive just fine.

Starcraft II campaign divided between the main game and two expansions? Each campaign is going to be bigger. Also makes sense because they want to sell the expansion packs (surely you wanted ALL the three campaigns with the proper size that they will have, just iwth the base game, the expansions only having some units and maps).

Starcraft II is Starcraft updated? So? Blizzard has never said they were to follow Dawn of War 2 path, did they? Obviously, there is still many people interested in that kind of RTS so why the fuck cannot they have it? Are they forcing you to buy the fracking game? Seriously.

Activision is evil? Yep, very much as many others out there. Congrats for passing you spot check of difficulty 5.

Reply #67 Top

Quoting Wintersong, reply 67



Quoting ZehDon,
reply 64
Why not charge US$200.00 for Starcraft II?  How many people in the world don't have that much money?  Why not make phone registration each time you wish to play the game a mandatory requirement?  How many people in the world don't have phones?  Real Starcraft II fans wouldn't care!!Videogames are a luxury that most of the population of the planet cannot afford. Did you know that those bastard of the video game industry force you to have a computer to play them? Or a console? Like if everyone could have one!!!! And what is worst of all! The worst offender!!! You must be ALIVE to be able to play them!!!! WTF dudes??




24/7 online for single players games is a "no no" to me because they are supposed to be "single player". There could be exceptions (Dawn of War 2 for me), but only in case of extremely interesting games (and Dwn of War 2 is). Settlers 7 wasn't so interesting (well, I haven't played it and maybe it's the best damn thing in the planet, but I won't know).

Online activation? If I think that the game is good and that I'm going to have a very good time with it, I'll accept it (like Mass Effect, just to mention one). Not a fan of this mode but in some punctual cases can be "tolerated".

LAN and other multiplayer stuff? Honestly, I couldn't care less. If I want multiplayer, I play MMORPGs. If Elemental makes me change my mind (and I have the time for it), I may start caring about multiplayer more.

Companies trying to abuse your bank_account/wallet? Surprise! They have being doing it all your life and not just with videogames. Just remember that when taling about unnecesary things like videogames, that industry could go to hell and, unless you are psycologically dependant, you would survive just fine.

Starcraft II campaign divided between the main game and two expansions? Each campaign is going to be bigger. Also makes sense because they want to sell the expansion packs (surely you wanted ALL the three campaigns with the proper size that they will have, just iwth the base game, the expansions only having some units and maps).

Starcraft II is Starcraft updated? So? Blizzard has never said they were to follow Dawn of War 2 path, did they? Obviously, there is still many people interested in that kind of RTS so why the fuck cannot they have it? Are they forcing you to buy the fracking game? Seriously.

Activision is evil? Yep, very much as many others out there. Congrats for passing you spot check of difficulty 5.
End of Wintersong's quote

I can imagine Bobby Kotick shedding one tear while reading this.

Reply #68 Top

Quoting innerpattern, reply 61

A campaign with 1 playable race/storyline in a game that has 3 races is not a complete campaign. Play the campaign of SC1 w/o brood war for an example of what the SC2 campaign should have had in the original box.
End of innerpattern's quote

A campaign three times the size of any campaign in SC1, with far more indepth storytelling, between mission upgrades, bonus objectives for optional research paths, some pretty crazy challenge modes, and hell even a fun little arcade minigame. The campaign FEELS more like a real story. The news reports alone after every mission are great, and they're far from the only thing going on.

As opposed to three campaigns of much shorter length, where the first half of each one is easy due to introducing the techs and units of the race to the player.

Have you played the SC 2 campaign? Because there really is no comparison (and I love SC 1 to death). Storytelling is a lot better when you can spend more time on one faction and actually do character development. This complaint reads a lot like they should have made a weaker campaign just to tick the boxes of having everybody playable in single player.

This time, quality won out.

Reply #69 Top

The news reports alone after every mission are great, and they're far from the only thing going on.
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hahaha I love the news reports :)  I don't know why they haven't fired Kate yet (maybe they will? I haven't finished obviously lol).

 

 

Reply #70 Top

Quoting CyrusNunn, reply 60

You do not appear to have more of a clue than last time.  Here's a small one: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/07/ubisoft-drm-authentification-server-is-down-assassins-creed-2/
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Comparing Ubisoft to Blizzard... how to put this..  Using that as an excuse is like saying you wouldn't eat a Caesar salad from a renowned chef because of a report you saw of people complaining after eating disease-ridden weeds with dog shit on top.

Reply #71 Top

And how many of those were LAN Tournaments? There-in lies the problem.
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What problem? A tournament is a tournament. Who cares if it's LAN or not? SC2 beta had a ton of tournaments during the half a year it was up. It's a non-issue.

As I inferred, this process is not detailed and is subjective. Blizzard are not selecting which maps are charged for, they've just placed themselves in the direct position of determining which maps are allowed to cost money. It's a different route to the same thing. As they take a slice of any profit made, obviously selecting the best content, such as new DotA, is in their best interests. They won't be making US$15.00 map packs like Call of Duty, however if you want to play on the best maps you'll still need fork out more than the already steep asking price. Considering there are still two purchases to be made for any Starcraft II multi-player, this is hardly fair.
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No it's not a different route to the same thing. If people don't submit their awesome maps to the marketplace, Blizzard makes nothing. Are you saying now that people who work hard on their creations should never make a penny? Well, damn. I guess you just told off every Indy developer who can get his stuff approved by the Xbox Live Marketplace, or Steam, or Impulse, as well as app developers for iPhone, Droid, etc.. and even Stardock itself, that takes user created "master" skins/etc built by their tools and allows the users to sell them on Wincustomize.com. Like all of these other places, Blizzard provides a platform for individuals to create content. It allows them to sell this content if they choose to make some money for their work. In return for providing the platform and the marketplace, Blizzard, like every other entity on the list, takes a cut.

Geez, maybe you should think about what you're actually saying. I know it's all the rage to bash these days, but that's just blatant hypocrisy.

Reply #72 Top

Quoting CyrusNunn, reply 60

Quoting 4Nana, reply 59Done.  You should go ahead and quit bitching about needing the internet in this day and age.

You do not appear to have more of a clue than last time.  Here's a small one: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/07/ubisoft-drm-authentification-server-is-down-assassins-creed-2/
End of CyrusNunn's quote

 

Fail comparison is fail. There's one minor detail that completely destroys your entire point: the SC 2 single player modes work without Internet access.

In fact, I just did it to prove that I could.

God, the misinformation around here sometimes is just pathetic.

Reply #73 Top

There is a LAN version of SC2. Blizzard employees refuse to acknowledge, but it does exist for tournaments.

Reply #74 Top

Quoting OMG_BlackHatHedgehog, reply 74
There is a LAN version of SC2. Blizzard employees refuse to acknowledge, but it does exist for tournaments.
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And even if there weren't, it's not like someone in China hasn't already figured out how make it work over LAN

Reply #75 Top

Well, I was a one of the naysayers. "oh it's just slightly updates SC", or "How the hell can they be doing this and that". After spending some time with it at a friends. OMG! It may actually be worth it. Just fricken awesome from what I've seen. And for someone like me only interested in SP campaign or skirmish, there is already hacks out where you never have to let it online for anything. Win!