Tragedy in the Middle-East

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well at least its only 10 people.  Leauki, they have a minyan or maybe this was a minyan.

I do understand what your point is, though. 

I think you'll appreciate this joke :-0 Well, I hope :-/

Oh yeah, Happy Memorial Day, yes I know that you folks across the pond don't celebrate 'memorial day' on this day.

p.s. thanks for the karma.  I was getting depressed at my low karma level.

The NASPAs thought they could lynch a few IDF soldiers. That went horribly wrong.

What's interesting is that Turkey allowed them to sail under their flag. Turkey apparently decided to join the war on Hamas' side. That won't make things easier with the EU membership because those in Europe opposed to Turkey's membership are mostly supporters of Israel.

Incidentally, the Islamic party currently ruling Turkey is dropping in the polls. The secular Kemalists are ahead. And Turkish television actually showed the video that proved that the "activists" attacked the IDF and not vice versa. (Al-Jazeera showed the same video with that part missing.)

Apparently, there were weapons on board.   More than just the pistols they're reporting over here.  There was a man who was a holocaust survivor, who is this is individual? 

I can envision three scenarios:

1. The IDF will find lots of weapons and ammunition among the goods. This would explain why the NASPAs attacked the IDF instead of being pure "victims". OTOH they must have known that the IDF would always be the bad guys regardless of how the event proceeds. But if the NASPAs had reason to believe that Israel wouldn't stop their fleet, they could have had weapons for Hamas on board. That would be excellent for Israel. But it would just have been too stupid for the NASPAs. Most likely the weapons were on the second fleet supposed to arrive later.

2. Israel will now transport the goods to Gaza using the normal way.

3. Israel looses track of the goods or the ships with the goods return to Turkey (or the occupied part of Cyprus).

European Jews sometimes think they are better than middle-eastern Jews.

Whether there are significant numbers of weapons or munitions on that Turkish-flagged ship or not, it was almost certainly a test run.  Israel had no choice but to stop them.

Of course, AP headlines the story "Israeli commandos storm aid flotilla; 9 killed".  They always extend the presumption of innocence to Palestinians and the presumption of guilt to Israel.

Is it not an act of war for Turkey to allow ships openly allied with Israel's enemies to use Turkey's flag?

Obviously.

In the Pacific, the situation was reversed, with US submarines hunting Japanese shipping. By war's end, U.S. submarines had destroyed over half of all Japanese merchant ships, totalling well over five million tons of shipping. British and Dutch submarines also took part in attacks on Japanese shipping, mostly in coastal waters. Japanese submarines were often ineffectual, and by doctrine concentrated on attacking warships, rather than more-vulnerable merchantmen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_warfare#World_War_II

Hunting down merchant ships with submarines and sinking them is legal.

Boarding "aid transports" is against international law.

His sentence on unrestricted submarine warfare was not assessed, because of similar actions by the Allies. In particular, the British Admiralty on 8 May 1940 had ordered that all vessels in the Skagerrak should be sunk on sight; and the statement by Admiral Chester Nimitz, wartime commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, that the U.S. Navy had waged unrestricted submarine warfare in the Pacific from the day the U.S. entered the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doenitz#Nuremberg_War_Crimes_Trials

The United Nations must have found this new "international law" after the war.

I finally wrote about the event on my personal blog, in order to save time ofline in case someone asks my opinion.

http://web.me.com/ajbrehm/Home/Blog/Entries/2010/6/1_A_Tragedy_in_the_Middle-East.html

I was wondering how you were going to comment on this.

In a way, Turkey and Israel provided cover for Europeans (and Obama).  They set up a Kobayashi Maru scenario for Israel.  Now they can drop all pretense of impartiality and just be the racist anti-semites they actually are.

Are you kidding?

In a region where black Africans are killed by the hundreds of thousands I totally realise the immense importance of 19 white victims, regardlfess of how the got into this situation.

This certainly warrants a UN investigation.

Where would we be if Israel could treat white people like Arabs and Turks treat black people, Kurds and Jews!

This brings the count of "innocent" civilians killed in the match between Israel and her allies and Hamas and their allies to 419 to 400,000. From now on I cannot claim any more than the others killl a thousand times as many. Not that anybody ever cared.

This is becoming the international equivalent to the US reaction to Arizona's immigration law - all hysteria & deliberate ignorance, facts & truth be damned.

When it comes to Israel, that has always been the case.  The only thing "surprising" about this time is the Obama administration went along with it.  But that is only surprising to people who have not been paying close attention to Obama.

Actually, Obama was quite neutral, probably because Americans are not as interested in the matter as Europeans.

What surprised and disappointed me was Merkel's reaction. A few hours after the event was a bit early for blaming the Jews, I thought.

The main discussion now is about the new fact that boarding an enemy merchant ship during a war is against "international law".

Apparently no country has ever done that before.

Anyway, turns out the Zionists do control the UN, or at least what "international law" is.

If we ever want green apples to be declared illegal per "international law" we just have to get Israel to produce them.

Turns out Obama ultimately did the right thing:

I’m told there won’t be any daylight between the US and Israel in the aftermath of the incident on the flotilla yesterday, which resulted in the deaths of 10 activists.

Regardless of the details of the flotilla incident, sources say President Obama is focused on what he sees as the longer term issue here: a successful Mideast peace process.

“The president has always said that it will be much easier for Israel to make peace if it feels secure,” a senior administration official tells ABC News.

The suggestion is that US condemnation of Israel would further isolate that country, and make further peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians even more difficult.

The senior administration official says that President Obama spoke to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu three times on Monday. Mr. Obama pushed the notion that last night – as the United Nations Security Council met to issue a statement about the incident – was the moment when the US had maximum leverage, that the longer the statement was being debated the worse it would ultimately be for Israel.

Ultimately, as the statement was negotiated over night, the US succeeded in making it more neutral where other nations wanted it to criticize and condemn Israel.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/official-us-will-stand-with-israel.html

Obama could go on record with saying that boarding enemy merchant ships is, in fact, not unheard of and has never been against any "international law" and that civilians are, in fact, not protected if they attack soldiers, even soldiers boarding their ship; but that is much better than nothing and certainly better than the silly condemnations.

The Iranian opposition are going nuts on Twitter. Most understand and support Israel's position and, like Saudi-Arabia's official government newspaper (!) see Iran behind the "aid transport". Finally they keep pointout out that nobody seems to care about protesters killed in Iran.

The slam on the UN has always been its inability to do anything because of the veto power of the 5 core members of the security council.  They could not have issued the condemnation without approval of all 5 members, and that could not have been done without direct approval of Obama.  You mistake his cowardice with his complicity.  he is as bad (probably worse) than Merkel.

I am all for an "investigation".

Should be done by Turkey.

It would force Turkey to send more officials to Israel at a time when they want to disengage from their relationship and their verdict can hardly be worse than what the media have already made up about the incident and if it is any better, Turkey will lose the support of their newly-found friends.

Anything that makes the UN unable to do something is good in my book.

Apparently he made sure that the UNSC would not directly condemn Israel.

But we'll see. This is his chance to shine.

Why is the UN council quicker at making a statement about this than the sinking of a battleship?  I am referencing the South Korea ship.  Opps, wait that ship was sunk by the States in order so that we can fight another war.

I don't know how that escaped my memory.  Its obvious, 9-11 was just a smoke screen so we could go into 2 countries and now a third.

Seriously, though why is this story breaking so much wind (pun intended).  Sinking a battleship and killing like 42 people is aggression and provoking.  This was just provoking . 

Leauki, don't you know that Zionist Jews control the mainstream media as well. :-/

 This poses quite a dilemma for Obama. We still don't have any statement of support for Israel from him. My guess is that he will eventually join his Muslim bros @ the UN to condemn Israel.

Do you really think we'll find out the truth of the matter?

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure that the 'peace activist' were violent. We see it here in the States nearly all the time.  I'm also sure that there were more than 2 pistols that the media is saying that was on the ships.

Why is the PA getting this aid? They get a lot of foreign aid.  Now right across the water way is another country, Sudan, that could use the aid.

Wait a minute, Leauki, terrorist do board ships awww opps those are pirates.  My mistake.

I hope not.  I am still dumbfounded as to why Obama was nice to Saudia Arabia.  There are only two things that come from Saudia Arabia and that's Black Gold and Terrorist.  Most of that doesn't look like black gold coming from there. 

Just a note, I know that more then those two come out of Saudia Arabia.  I was just referencing, first full metal jacket (the scene pertaining to Texas) and the fact that nearly all the Hijackers during 9/11 were Saudia Arabian.

Furthermore, when did Saudia Arabia or Iran (post 1979) or for that matter any Middle Eastern country given us any good intel that names DON'T start with Israel or Egypt (Egypt really provides limited intel).

Sinking ships using submarines is legal, boarding them is not.