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which type are good against others?

from Sins Forums

There was some questions about counters. Basically it goes:

              LRF > LF > Carriers (fighters) > LRF again.    Thats the basic triangle. 

Its pretty obvious that LRFs (Long Range Frigates: Javelis LRMs, Illums, Assailants) are good against LFs (Light Frigates: Cobalts, Disciples, Skirmishers), and that LF are good against Carrriers, etc..  The following is a more complex expansion:

                                                             >  LRF
                           >    Flak     > (fighters) > Scouts
Scouts > LRF > LF > Carriers           | 
                           >  Support          v   
                                              (bombers) > HC's
                                                              > Structures (& SBs)
                                                              > Cap Ships

LFs are good against Flak, Carriers and all of the higher tech Support (repair/disable) ships.  Carrier fighters are good against bombers, as well as LRF and Scouts.  Carrier bombers excel at HC (Heavy Cruisers), planet Structures and Capital ships.

Here are the old links: Colored Damage Chart
                                 Zyrxil's Damage Types

    Also see change logs, since links are outdated. 

Edit: added arrows to clarify multiple counters from a single ship.

                                 Updated Diplomacy Damage Types

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20,838 views 28 replies
Reply #26 from Sins Forums Top

I don't like how the game has scouts as "good vs none" but it is used as a counter to Long range frigates.

 

I think scouts need to spawn with auto attack enabled lol

 

Reply #27 from Sins Forums Top

@ Shunmaha, you can look at some of my threads to see my view on this. Basically, Scouts being able to defeaut LRF is a major oversight on the developers' part but since it 'fixes' the LRF balance problem (which for some unfathomable reason the developers STILL haven't fixed), many people are happy with the Scout imbalance.

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Reply #28 from Sins Forums Top

This is a major necro.

So many question on counters recently!   So I am going to bump my old post.
Hopefully the spacing is consistant for all, and it all lines up correctly.

SithLordAJ's spreadsheet was created after this original thread, and it includes more uptodate information:
(although I don't like it's confusing counter's flowchart by VoltC, and believe that portion is incorrect).

Advent Armor Class Attack Type Damage Modifer vs Armor Type
Ship Type V.Light Light Medium Heavy V.Heavy CapShip Pirate Module
AntiFighter Heavy Antiverylight 133% 75% 50% 50% 50% 50% 25% 35%
Fighter VeryLight Antilight 100% 200% 50% 50% 50% 50% 50% 35%
Colony Light Antilight 100% 200% 50% 50% 50% 50% 50% 35%
Scout Light Antilight 100% 200% 50% 50% 50% 50% 50% 35%
Long Light Antimedium 100% 100% 133% 75% 75% 75% 65% 50%
Siege Light Antiheavy 100% 75% 100% 150% 50% 50% 60% 50%
Light Medium Antiheavy 100% 75% 100% 150% 50% 50% 60% 50%
Utility0 Heavy Antiheavy 100% 75% 100% 150% 50% 50% 60% 50%
Bomber Light Antiveryheavy 50% 50% 50% 50% 100% 75% 50% 65%
Heavy VeryHeavy Composite 100% 150% 125% 100% 100% 75% 120% 75%
Capital CapitalShip Capitalship 25% 75% 100% 100% 100% 100% 90% 75%
CapitalAbility   CapitalAbility 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 75% 75% 100%
AntiModule Light Antimodule 25% 25% 50% 75% 100% 100% 30% 200%
VasariStarbase Module Antiheavy 100% 75% 100% 150% 50% 50% 60% 50%
    Antimodule 25% 25% 50% 75% 100% 100% 30% 200%
    Capitalship 25% 75% 100% 100% 100% 100% 90% 75%
AdventStarbase Module Capitalship 25% 75% 100% 100% 100% 100% 90% 75%
TECStarbase Module Capitalship 25% 75% 100% 100% 100% 100% 90% 75%
MineSquadron VeryLight                  
Envoy Light                  
RefineryShip Light                  
Constructor Light                  
TradeShip Light                  
MineLayer Heavy                  
Carrier Heavy                  
StarbaseConstr. Heavy                  
Mine Module                  


Edit:  There is one change to this chart (and SithLordAJ's) introduced in the 1.12 patch (on 5/24/11), Bomber damage to CapShip was changed to 60% from 75%.