Why the DA hate?

He's the one Demigod I've never really even experimented with, but my experiences has been pretty good with having one on my team as long as he's got a good build that doesn't include Warp Area.

He's not a "tier one" demigod but the way the game is played nowadays makes your team's demigod selection rather limited. You can have two Demigods on your team that are Oak, Erebus, or Unclean Beast.  Then you can have the third Demigod one of the other 6 "Support" class demigods.  Deviating from this formula is fine unless you are playing against a good team made up of the better classes of demigods... then bad things happen.

After games like this, people will blame whatever poor bastard happened to get killed the most during the game and say "I will never play with (insert underpowered demigod here) again."

In my opinion most DAs have very little staying power and just struggle to make a difference in the majority of extended fights. If they can waltz in and disrupt a 1v1 or 2v2 they're great, but when you need them to hold the line 1v1 or 2v2 for an extended period of time they just don't stack up.

I love DA. He is great in team games. So much fun.

But I agree, especially early on, he simply can't hold a line or push.

I just hate how all his abilities are both mana costly and some are none spammable.

Why all the hate for Warp Area?

If you use EoM it is free damage. (Hey and add a health stack while you are at it using EoM)

There is a DG all by himself. You press F4,2,1,3... the 3 part is free damage,

Why bother with EoM if you're getting Warp Area? At rank 2 a BotS gives you full mana off it, seems pointless to fuss with EoM. That's not even mentioning that BotS gives better regen than EoM even if you don't get Warp Area.

I've had some fun playing DA.  He's not that bad.  And you can get by with 2 helms.  You don't have to spam his abilities.  That's a very predictable way to play him as well.  Sometimes its best to wait until someone gets overly aggressive and then unload all of that burst damage and hinder their escape.  Which is why I like going blood on him so he can take a bit more of a beating and do a little auto attacking.

He's not great at holding a lane but he's decent at protecting towers.  Being able to swap someone out of place behind a tower is threatening.

I updated my "Viable" demon assassin guide to include spine attack and some basics on playstyle.  Send any n00bs there for some pr0 demon tips.

 

Chromequote

He's not a "tier one" demigod but the way the game is played nowadays makes your team's demigod selection rather limited. You can have two Demigods on your team that are Oak, Erebus, or Unclean Beast.  Then you can have the third Demigod one of the other 6 "Support" class demigods.  Deviating from this formula is fine unless you are playing against a good team made up of the better classes of demigods... then bad things happen.

After games like this, people will blame whatever poor bastard happened to get killed the most during the game and say "I will never play with (insert underpowered demigod here) again." /Chromequote

 

 

You nailed it right there, although I'd like to add that 6 others are good support heroes. A team of for instance two tier I's and a rook vs 3 tier I's will win if played right in my opinion, the rook is not a handicap. Also builds like queen+rook+oak or Sedna+rook+oak are viable, as is Double Rook+general but yes for the majority: two tier I's, one "support" or just play full house with three tier I's.

I use warp area inbound to deal damage, I am usually not aiming at creeps with it.

I will 2,1,3 regardless if there are creeps or minions next to the target, infact I prefer not to spaz out all over the place on the initial inbound attack so I know where I will be, right next to the target. It's free, and DMG is DMG.

Also, I will only get extra mana from

Unbreakable
Nature's Rec

Because I also am using

Banded
Nimoth
Hauberk

Pulling 2,1,3 on inbound is alot of mana to have to recover using BotS for this item load out if you expect to spine and strike again when the cooldowns are reached, or you want to swap later or pursue to warp strike behind towers (thanks to that much life.)

There's also much less DA squishiness using these items. Max spike, warp strike, and swap, 2 points in warp area and the rest in dodge.

I guess for this build I find that EoM is simply easier to manage mana then BoTS for DA once you go into battle.

Bots>EoM?

because in 3v3 2v2 or 1v1 DA is shit, he has absolutley no staying power. Any general will destroy him, he can't touch UB or Rook either.

Depends on playstyle and build for the majority of the game, though if you do reach crazy levels BotS is far better regardless of spec.

i actually play a pretty good DA and i enjoy playing with him and im hoping my teammates feel the same.......hopefully

On which build doe sEoM actually work?

What about a Passive Ability DA? I always use one, and it works great. Get items to boost attack speed and other critical items, high move speed means you get almost full DPS as your opponent is retreating. Death by a thousand paper cuts style. Usually when I play DA I don't have active abilities until I've run out of passive abilities to get. It may just be that I'm not very skilled, and don't play against very skilled players either, but our impression of Passive ability DA was that he was obscenely OP.

Woopate, who are you playing against? Because I can't see a full-passive DA even being remotely dangerous, much less OP.

yeah, the kind of DA i fear is warp+range+swap, with a speed boost. the passive line is really kind of worthless. i've tried playing warp+range vs range+passive and warp+passive, and the two attack moves are so much better than the passive line it's not even funny.