Sell me on: Orb of Definance

I don't really "get it".  I understand that extra HP & Armor is always appreciated but what's with the 5 second invulnerability?  Seems like that would just give your opponents a chance to position themselves optimally for when you return to normal not to mention a chance for them to use their consumables safely.  I see a decent amount of praise for the item but never an explaination of why or how you'd use it and the once or twice I've seen it used in-game was less than impressive.

Basically, as a PUGer, why should I spend several thousand gold on this item?

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Reply #1 Top
  • In a 2v2 combat or a 3v3 combat, if you get focused on, 5 seconds of invulnerability can let your teammates do a lot of good work.
  • You just needed 5 more seconds for your batswarm to recharge
  • You are rook in his tower farm, and avoiding a gank while your towrs continue doing damage.
  • You just popped a heart of life and want to make sure it regenerates for at least half its possible duration (Kinda old)
  • You want to avoid the snipe you know is coming.
  • You want to avoid the hammer slam you are too slow to get away from

Mainly the first 2, in my experience.

Reply #2 Top

Some more:

  • Sedna is still out of range but can get to you in five seconds.
  • You are TB and you just used circle of fire.
Reply #3 Top

You really really want to throw away your gold, because the game was too close otherwise.

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Quoting Sarmis, reply 3
You really really want to throw away your gold, because the game was too close otherwise.
End of Sarmis's quote

QFT

 

any the above suggestion mean spending much money to even out big mistakes you made! at least for the very most situations. for the rare cases it would be really usefull it is not acceptable to allways spend that money just in case that.

 

no really, there are so much more usefull thngs you could do with the money that would be far more usefull and most times prevents you from needing the orb.

Reply #5 Top

I've played a game where i ended up 1v1 vs opponent in his/her creep wave (with lots of catas/giants).  The op used the orb, and i had to back up because sticking around for extra 5 sec would have lost me a lot of HP. 

Reply #6 Top

That said, my problem with it is that it occupies an extra slot in the inventory, so you'd have to give up something else.

Reply #7 Top

orb save you from so much shit as rook. I really wouldn't suggest it on any other character as wand of speed is cheaper and get you out of sticky situation almost every time.

Reply #8 Top

for loking a portal and TP out safely without any interupt.

for consuming a robust potion in the middle of the battle.

Reply #9 Top

Quoting Izuz, reply 8
for loking a portal and TP out safely without any interupt.

for consuming a robust potion in the middle of the battle.
End of Izuz's quote

How would this work?  Would you start the tp/potion and then trigger the orb?

Reply #10 Top

Quoting sparky2015, reply 9



Quoting Izuz,
reply 8
for loking a portal and TP out safely without any interupt.

for consuming a robust potion in the middle of the battle.


How would this work?  Would you start the tp/potion and then trigger the orb?
End of sparky2015's quote
Think he is talking about lvl 3 shield

Reply #11 Top

Yeah, you can use it in tandem with Heart of Life because the hearts ability isn't channeled, you cannot use it with Teleports or flag locks.

Re: Sarmis - it is not a generally good item, I agree.  But I think it is important to at least realize what it DOES do.

Lastly, I also agree with Cowsex in that it is probably best used by Rook.

Reply #12 Top

Obscenitor uses it real well with Rook...

 

Seen it used well with UB cause ooze still works while you're stone...

 

All in all, just one of the few middle of the road items that don't suck but you shouldn't sacrifice upgrading your cit for.

 

But oh doesn't it feel good to turn to stone right when reg throws the mines at your feet right after a UB spit on you and you had a mark of the betrayer and the TB is about to fireball your ass and...

 

Yeah, I know... its not worth it but its a shame cause its a fun item.

Reply #13 Top

You can also use it to cap flags that are behind/between towers.  While invul, you  still take flags.  Works decently on center base flag on prison.

Reply #14 Top

It is the best item in the whole game. You can use it creatively in many cases, just because of that it is a special item that expands strategies of combos and the mind wars in group battles Few More points on top of what is already mentioned.

-To survive a spit.

-To spit and ooze damage.

-You can be healed by the monks as well.

-You can grab the pot or mana on the ground. 

-You can go next your towers and avoid a kamikaze kill. Espcially on battle on exp flag will be safe for you after defiance since you can get in and turn on invul.

-while you are under focus, the enemy spents few AA attacks and possibly skills if you time defiance right before they change target.

-It gives you few more seconds to do something in group battle which has vital importance to ahve the chance to use your skills once again even if you are gonna die. 

There are few other strategies with orb that i use but i will keep it as a secret to myself:)

Reply #15 Top

Ooze still works when you activate it.

Reply #16 Top

Quoting Orcun_BL, reply 14


There are few other strategies with orb that i use but i will keep it as a secret to myself:)
End of Orcun_BL's quote

 

Newsflash:  if any of your games are uploaded to replay, it isn't a secret anymore.

Reply #17 Top

-You can grab the pot or mana on the ground.
End of quote


How exactly does it help with that in anyway?

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Quoting Bolange, reply 17

-You can grab the pot or mana on the ground.

How exactly does it help with that in anyway?
End of Bolange's quote

You can pick up pots while stoned ;) If you're close enough at least.

Orb of Defiance is nice (you can stone on your/enemies portal and at least contest it), and it does give decent HP/Armor but I have a hard time with using it instead of a Sigil.

Reply #19 Top

ooze working is likely a bug and should be fixed.