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"Freedom comes from knowing the truth.  Bondage results from missing it."

I read those words recently from a well known Pastor.  I thought, "Ain't that the truth?" 

Someone here on JU asked me recently how I can "know" that I'm going to heaven since he believes we really can't know for sure.  I refuted that, because I do absolutely know for sure I'm going to heaven.  I have been set free from that doubt of not knowing. 

There are some religious groups out there that teach you can't be sure.  One teaches the best time to die is when you're walking out of a confession booth.  That would be the only time you can be sure of your salvation.  How sad.

I say nonsense.  All a bunch of nonsense. It's a man-made teaching. They are teaching fear and guilt to keep you in line.  That's all that is. Some call it brainwashing.  I agree.   If I must do or not do something to keep from losing my salvation, then salvation would have to be by faith and works.  Keeps me coming!! 

It's the works part, these religious organizations are most after.  If they can convince you of this, you will continue to work and work and work for the church to ensure that your ticket to the hereafter is secure. 

Nonesense.   I believe this type of teaching is exactly why so many are dissatisfied with organized religion.  I don't blame them one bit.  Someday, the leaders in these churches will have alot to answer for.  With much responsibility comes much accountability. 

So what is at stake?  Many things.  Peace, assurance, joy, love for instance.  They all are related.  If you don't have assurance of God's acceptance you can't have peace and without peace you can have no joy.  A person with no peace is really motivated by fear.  Fear and love don't match up well. 

John said this:

"These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life."  1 John 5:13

Think about it.   If Christ came to seek and save the lost wouldn't it have been wise on God's part to snatch us to heaven right then, the moment we are saved in order to insure we make it?  Otherwise God is taking a great risk  forcing us to stay here and walk thru a very sinful world.  Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that "bad company corrupts good character."  We all know there's plenty of bad characters around us every day. 

Another thing to think about.  If we don't have this assurance, peace, and joy because it's replaced by fear in losing our salvation doesn't that spill over to worry?  Didn't Jesus tell us worrying is a sin?  Didn't Paul tell us to be anxious over nothing?  How can we reconcile these things if God is holding our ticket to heaven over our heads in the hopes we are good little boys and girls.  If we mess up.....oh well.  Ticket rescinded.

No, the only way we can have the peace and joy and assurance is to believe Christ when he said those that come to him can have eternal life.  When we come to him, he says, we can have life more abundantly.  This is not the same type of life the world offers.  But if we tell others that we can't be sure of our eternal security then it's no diff than what the world offers.  Who wants that?   The world offers, fear, worry, anxiety and hate.  Who needs that? 

Salvation has to be by faith alone.  Once good works are introduced into the salvation process then it gets all chaotic and complicated.  It is no longer by faith alone but by faith and works and to say that is to take the daily burden of our salvation upon ourselves.  Then you have to ask, why did Jesus come to die?  Didn't he take this burden from off our shoulders?  Didn't he carry it instead?   If we believe our salvation is determined by our works, it pretty much contradicts just about every doctrine in scripture spoken by Christ and written down by the Apostles. 

Think about this.  If our salvation is not secure how could Jesus say "they will never perish?"  (John 10:28) If we receive eternal life but then forfeited it thru sin, either by not doing what we should do or doing what we shouldn't do, will we not perish?   By doing so, don't we make Jesus words to be a lie, null and void?   Didn't he die for our sins, past, present and future?  I believe he did. 

I guess it really comes down to trust and commitment.  Jesus is calling us to do more than just believe in his existence.  He's calling us to put our trust in him, in his words and in his death in exchange for our sins.  That's it.  Even a child can understand this. 

"Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."  Romans 5:1

"But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is recokoned as righteousness."  Romans 4:5.

 

 

 

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Reply #626 from JoeUser Forums Top

We are all children of God because God is the creator of mankind and God dwells within mankind.
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Whisper2,

I disagree.

kfc posts:

We ARE NOT all childrend of God and Christ made that distinction. Remember he told the Pharisees "you are of your father the devil?" There are two fathers one genuine and one an imposter.

It would be theologically correct to say that we are all God's creation and some have been made sons of God but not all are children of God. In the OT the Jews were favored. In the NT the church has been added to God's favor...church being those he has brought to himself...not a building or denomination.
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I agree and added to that my 2 cents worth....

Although Almighty God created and loves all and He wills that all be saved and come to the knowedge of truth; no, we are not all children of God.  Just as all the people of the world before the Christian era were not "all children of God"; the same is true of the Christian era. God has given His written and oral revelation concerning what it takes to become "adopted" as one of His children and heirs to the kingdom of Heaven.

We start out as being children of the wrath, that is, born with the stain of Original Sin on our soul and that keeps us from being children of God. Ever since Christ came and established the New Covenant in His blood, we become a child of God and enter into Christ's kingdom (the Church) by Baptism, either by water, blood or desire.

 

 

Reply #627 from JoeUser Forums Top

The modern state of Israel is the same as the ancient state of Israel, except it is a republic rather than a kingdom.
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Aye! The ancient Isrealites were a Godly nation.....How do you reconcile that with the facts that the modern state of Isreal is secular, has abortion and so called "gay pride" parades on the streets of Jerusalem as well as homosexual rabbis?

 

 

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Reply #628 from JoeUser Forums Top

Aye! The ancient Isrealites were a Godly nation.....How do you reconcile that with the facts that the modern state of Isreal is secular, has abortion and so called "gay pride" parades on the streets of Jerusalem as well as homosexual rabbis?

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The same way you have your Ted Kennedys, Pelosi's and Baldacci's and all the other Catholics fighting for those same causes you just mentioned making them laws in this country. 

Reply #629 from JoeUser Forums Top

If Jesus is the Messiah, this is the Israel that he needs for the prophecy when he comes back.
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First, there is no "if" about it, Jesus is the Messias.

The second part of your sentence is pure end-time fantasy. Our Lord Jesus Christ doesn't need the modern state of Isreal or any nation for that matter. The most we know is that sometime before the end of the world, a "remnant" of the Jews will be saved...these people who make up the "remnant" could ostensibly be Jews from any where on earth.  

Jesus Himself told us He would come back. Now, when He comes back, (and no one but God knows when), it isn't going to have anything to do with fulilling prophecies with the modern state of Isreal. After the end of the world, on "the last day", Christ will come back in full glory for one purpose and one purpose only.....as Judge of all mankind....He'll judge those who are still living and the dead....from there we will all pass into eternity...either in the up place, Heaven or the down place, Hell.

The Church is the Messianic Kingdom of which Christ is the King of Kings reigning from Heaven. These are the "last days", aka the millenium.

  

 

 

Reply #630 from JoeUser Forums Top

The same way you have your Ted Kennedys, Pelosi's and Baldacci's and all the other Catholics fighting for those same causes you just mentioned making them laws in this country.
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Ya, these are Catholic hypocrites who should be excommunicated from the Church until and unless they repent and change their ways.  But what's your point? Leauki's original assertion is  that "The modern state of Israel is the same as the ancient state of Israel, except it is a republic rather than a kingdom."

What say you, KFC? Is the modern state of Isreal the same as the ancient state of Isreal?

 I say, "No way Jose".

God created the ancient Isrealite nation while the modern state of Isreal was created by the UN in 1948.  Given this, how can the two possibly be the same?

Reply #631 from JoeUser Forums Top

Christ will come back in full glory
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What does "full glory" mean?

the up place, Heaven or the down place, Hell.
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Be more specific.

Reply #632 from JoeUser Forums Top

Aye! The ancient Isrealites were a Godly nation.....

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So is the modern Israel.

 

How do you reconcile that with the facts that the modern state of Isreal is secular, has abortion and so called "gay pride" parades on the streets of Jerusalem as well as homosexual rabbis?

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How do I reconcile the fact that Israel doesn't practice what YOU consider the "Godly" path with my belief that Israel is a G-dly nation?

I don't. I don't have to. And neither do I have to show that Israel's culture is consistent with Shintoism or Islam. Israel is _Jewish_, not Catholic or Buddhist or Hindu. What Israel's role is is not defined by any non-Israelite religion but by G-d.

And when I see the world around Israel, the fanatical Muslims and Arab nationalists, I do believe that gay pride parades are a vital part of what Israel is supposed to be. Whatever you believe about homosexuality, most Jews, including orthodox, believe that executing them is more wrong than practicing homosexuality. Hence Israel is sending a strong message by allowing gay pride parades.

And what's wrong with homosexual rabbis? You (the Catholic Church) have pedophile priests. (Not that the two are not the same category. But if homosexual rabbis invalidate Israel as G-d's nation, then certainly pedophile priests would invalidate Rome as G-d's church.)

 

The same way you have your Ted Kennedys, Pelosi's and Baldacci's and all the other Catholics fighting for those same causes you just mentioned making them laws in this country.

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Good point. But do note that in Israel abortion is not, in fact, completely legal (certainly not to the extend that the aforementioned politicians want it to be) and is not being advocated by politicians calling themselves religious.

The "ultra-right-wing" Avigdor Lieberman, who I understand might be one of the supporters of abortion in Israel (he is called "ultra-right-wing" by the media because he is a Jew, not because he is technically right-wing), is not the equivalent of Nancy Pelosi. While she says that she is Catholic, he does not say that he is religious at all. He is just a Jew in the same way that Pelosi is American.

 

First, there is no "if" about it, Jesus is the Messias.

The second part of your sentence is pure end-time fantasy. Our Lord Jesus Christ doesn't need the modern state of Isreal or any nation for that matter.

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You are contradicting yourself. Jesus can only be the Messiah if he fulfills the prophecy. In order to do so he needs the state of Israel and the Jews. Otherwise, which Jews would he lead back to Israel? Whose Temple would he rebuild?

I don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah. So there is a big "if" there, if I don't believe it.

If he is, he will come back and finish the job. If, as you say, that cannot happen, how could he be the Messiah?

 

Reply #633 from JoeUser Forums Top

"If I am correct earlier in this discussion you encouraged that we should to be solely focused on Christ's words.  What then do Chrst's own words mean when He said, "I and the Father are one"?"

Anyone can be one with God Lulapilgrim.  It only requires the giving over of self.  When this happens one does become one with God since one's own free will becomes one with the will of God.  Self no longer exists other than in the physical form.  The fact that Peter called Jesus his "lord and God" does not mean that Jesus was "God" when he entered this earth through birth.  Once Jesus gave over his free will to God, he and God became one,  that does not mean that Jesus is God however.   God has always existed, and many have walked with him and then left the world.  Jesus was not the first, nor will he be the last.  Read Genesis if you do not believe me.

Yes, God exists in all men.  God exists in all things.  God is the creator.  No life, no anything came into being without God, God is the alpha and omega, beginning and end.  Nothing existed before god and nothing can exist without God including men.  In Genesis God specifically states that God can not dwell within man for more than 120 years.  No one has the right to rewrite God's word in this, not even christians.  God is "life" and without God's presence nothing "lives".

It's true, some will give over to self putting God aside, and that is very much giving over to "satan" and becoming a child of satan.  After all satan chose himself over God in his disobediance to God's word causing his own fall from grace, just exactly as man did in the garden.  No one however started out that way not even satan.  To each is given free will and choice, and because of that, each is given the opportunity to give over to God and become one with him.  

Reply #634 from JoeUser Forums Top

"Any rabbi can explain why we follow rituals. They don't do anything, they are just to keep us busy and put us in the right state of mind."

BINGO!  This is the absolute truth of the matter.

 

Reply #635 from JoeUser Forums Top

However Leauki, I would have to say that it is "they keep our minds busy, and put us in the right state of "spirit".

Reply #636 from JoeUser Forums Top

Christ will come back in full glory
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What does "full glory" mean?
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Infidel,

It's easist to understand by contrasting with Christ's First Coming (Advent). Christ, Who is God Incarnate, came in a hidden private manner, as a meek, helpless Baby born is a lowly manger.  When Christ does return at the very end of the last days, it will be publicly and unmistakable for literally everyone to know. Christ's Second Advent is going to be gloriously public and obvious to everyone.  

Let's be clear, there will not be a secret or quiet "rapture" of believers anytime before Christ's Second Coming because that has never been taught by Scripture or by the Chucrh and the reason for this is becasue Christ never taught it.

 What Christ taught is that "as lightening comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man." You'll find this in St.Matt. 24:27 if you want to study it more. And in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, St.Paul taught that "the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a cry of command, with the Archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God."

Pope John Paul II, of happy memory, reminded us that "The second coming of the Son of Man will not take place in the weakness of flesh, but in Divine power.  In short, that's what "full glory" means.   

 

Reply #637 from JoeUser Forums Top

When Christ does return at the very end of the last days, it will be publicly and unmistakable for literally everyone to know. Christ's Second Advent is going to be gloriously public and obvious to everyone. 

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And he will return to heaven disappointed when he notices that the Catholic Church has declared the people of Israel no longer the people of G-d, and the Messiah will find that he cannot fullfill his task of returning the children of Israel to the holy land because "his" church won't let him.

 

Reply #638 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Leauki, reply 637


And he will return to heaven disappointed when he notices that the Catholic Church has declared the people of Israel no longer the people of G-d, and the Messiah will find that he cannot fullfill his task of returning the children of Israel to the holy land because "his" church won't let him.

 
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 That provided a good laugh of truth as did the tail end of it. :-D

p.s. I guess Leauki, we best start packing our bags.  Maybe we should found another land and call it Canaan.

Reply #639 from JoeUser Forums Top

You (the Catholic Church) have pedophile priests. (Not that the two are not the same category. But if homosexual rabbis invalidate Israel as G-d's nation, then certainly pedophile priests would invalidate Rome as G-d's church.)

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Your first sentence is correct. Alas! Christ promised that scandals would come and they have. The Church has been infiltrated by homosexuals who have made their way into the seminaries and thus the priesthood. The good news is they are slowly being removed.  Your second statement is not correct though as the Chruch herself and every Pope since St. Peter has disapproved and forbade practicing homosexuals in the priesthood and never will. If she did, well, she wouldn't be "the Church".  I never have to be concerned about that because Christ keeps His promise to be with her until the end of the world.

Jesus can only be the Messiah if he fulfills the prophecy. In order to do so he needs the state of Israel and the Jews. Otherwise, which Jews would he lead back to Israel? Whose Temple would he rebuild?
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You are dreaming a fantasy if you believe that Jesus is going to rebuild the Temple.  

How do I reconcile the fact that Israel doesn't practice what YOU consider the "Godly" path with my belief that Israel is a G-dly nation?
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A nation that is on a Godly path follows God's absolutes found in the Ten Commandments. As I see it, the modern state of Isreal is not living up to them as it's policies and culture allows abortion and accepts the sinful abomination known as homosexuality.

How about Jews killing Jews to establish the State of Isreal? Is that a Godly path?

And what's wrong with homosexual rabbis?
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Let Moses tell you by reading the Torah.

In Deut. 18:15 (I think) Moses told you "to hear" the Prophet that would come and has come. It's way past time for you to obey.

Are you tackling the major difference between OT Judaism established by God and modern Judaism established by man?

 

 

 

Reply #640 from JoeUser Forums Top

I guess Leauki, we best start packing our bags.  Maybe we should found another land and call it Canaan.

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The Hif3il infinitive of the root of the word "Canaan" means "to subdue". From this we can deduce that "Canaan" simply means "low" in contrast to "Aram" meaning "high".

Should be possible to find another lowland. :-)

 

Reply #641 from JoeUser Forums Top

it isn't going to have anything to do with fulilling prophecies with the modern state of Isreal. After the end of the world, on "the last day", Christ will come back in full glory for one purpose and one purpose only.....as Judge of all mankind....He'll judge those who are still living and the dead....from there we will all pass into eternity...either in the up place, Heaven or the down place, Hell.
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This shows me totally that you haven't a grasp on scripture Lula. 

There are three times as many prophecies in the Bible relating to His second coming as to His first.  That makes the second coming three times as certain as His first coming.  These prophecies regarding the second coming have alot to do with the Nation Israel.

Com'on Lula.  The fact that Israel is not only a Nation but is fast becoming a Super Power has got to shake you up a bit here.  Not only that but think about it.  What nation is most consuming our news today?  Look at China and India who drown little ol' Israel not only in population but sheer size of their property.  But who is dominating the world's headlines?  Israel has become the geopolitical center of the world in just six decades. 

There's a huge Israel connection.  Even 150 years ago it was very laughable that the Jews would have their own homeland.  Much in the past was written that this would NEVER become a possiblility. If you not only go to the scriptures but also go to Christian writers of years ago you'd see that they spoke of a future restoration of Israel HAD to happen before Christ came back.  I remember reading Matthew Henry's commentary (1700's) about how it seemed that before anything could happen Israel had to be back in their homeland. 

All those ancient Christian writers of yesteryear have been proven correct.  To see Israel in their own nation is the greatest proof of all the bible is reliablie just as we say it is.  This also goes back to the promise of God to Abraham.  God keeps his promises.  The return of the Jews to Israel in 1948 was an astounding event unprecendented in world history.  NEVER had a forelorn ancient group of people managed to retain their identity after wandering all over the globe for 20 centuries and be reestablished in their original homeland.  This even happened EXACTLY as prophesied.  This is a miracle in our generation. 

I know you want to believe the RCC is the favorite now but it's so untrue it's not even funny.  Anyone who thinks the church has replaced Israel has no concept of the scriptures.  They don't have a clue.  Notice who's doing the work here: 

"I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own land....Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you...I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.  You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people and I will be your God.   (Ezek 36:24-28).

 

 

Reply #642 from JoeUser Forums Top

What say you, KFC? Is the modern state of Isreal the same as the ancient state of Isreal?   

God created the ancient Isrealite nation while the modern state of Isreal was created by the UN in 1948.  Given this, how can the two possibly be the same?

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I agree with Leauki. 

Look above at the scripture in Ezekiel 36.  Who's doing the creating? 

 

Reply #643 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting KFC, reply 641

There are three times as many prophecies in the Bible relating to His second coming as to His first.  That makes the second coming three times as certain as His first coming. 
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Oh, so the veracity of prophecy is based on consensus now? Good to know.

Reply #644 from JoeUser Forums Top

God created the ancient Isrealite nation while the modern state of Isreal was created by the UN in 1948.  Given this, how can the two possibly be the same?

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The modern state of Israel is the nation state of the ancient nation of Israel.

That's what it was founded for by the UN.

What's difficult about that?

The Vatican state didn't exist for some time too.

 

Reply #645 from JoeUser Forums Top

And he will return to heaven disappointed when he notices that the Catholic Church has declared the people of Israel no longer the people of G-d, and the Messiah will find that he cannot fullfill his task of returning the children of Israel to the holy land because "his" church won't let him.
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oh my gosh this is hilarious if not sad at the same time!  I think Leauki you nailed it.  It reminds me of Ted Kennedy who wrote a letter to the Pope before he died.  The words "conscience protection" was in the letter as he was rationalizing all his deeds good and bad to the RCC just before he died.  Using a scale he has in his mind he felt his good deeds outweighed the bad and wanted to be absolved by the Pope before he died.  How sad.  It's because they believe it's the Pope who has all the power and if the Pope says you're going to heaven, then by golly..you're free to go.  Die in peace. 

hogwash.  Matthew 7 comes into mind. 

In Genesis God specifically states that God can not dwell within man for more than 120 years.
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That's not what that says.  Nice way to twist the scriptures.  Your whole response in #633 is so screwed up I wouldn't even know where to begin.  You certainly have quite a mixture of truth and error in there.  I've been involved in many cults and different denominations over the years and from reading you you have quite a mixture of beliefs going on.  It's a wonder how you keep it all straight.  You must be very confused. 

Jesus can only be the Messiah if he fulfills the prophecy. In order to do so he needs the state of Israel and the Jews. Otherwise, which Jews would he lead back to Israel? Whose Temple would he rebuild?
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True and he has fulfilled some of it; but not all of it.  Let's clarify first.  God doesn't NEED any of us or anything.  He's God afterall.   He chooses us because it's His will to do so.   He chose to execute his plan thru a people group which just happened to be the Nation Israel. 

If he is, he will come back and finish the job. If, as you say, that cannot happen, how could he be the Messiah?
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good point.  Lula is forgetting that the Jews are still awaiting the Messiah. 

 

Reply #646 from JoeUser Forums Top

There is nothing confursing about it KFC, unless one wishes it to be. 

Genesis 6.3

"And God said: My spirit shall not remain in man forever, because he is flesh; and his days shall be a hundred and twenty years".

Yes God did.  Not only did God say his days shall be a hundred and twenty years, he also stated that his spirit is in man, as is evidenced by God saying that it can not remain in man forever.  No man of flesh has ever lived longer than those one hundred and twenty years.  When the spirit of God leaves man, he dies.  If you have proof of a being of flesh living longer bring it forth.  

I think it is you whom are confused KFC.  You read a book and rely on not only on your mind to reveal the meaning of it's words, but the mind of others as well.  It is better in my opinion to rely on the holy spirit to reveal it's meaning.

Reply #647 from JoeUser Forums Top

"And God said: My spirit shall not remain in man forever, because he is flesh; and his days shall be a hundred and twenty years".
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Where are you getting this from?  It's some sort of an interpretation because "not remain in man forever" is an interpretation not the correct translated scripture.  The correct translation is:

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man for that he also is flesh, yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty days." 

This is centered all around the flood and that's the subject matter.  God is saying he's giving man 120 years before the judgement of the flood would fall.  It took Noah about 100 years or so to build that Ark. 

one of the greatest words in the English language can be found here.  It is the word "but"...."but Noah found grace in the eyes of God."  v8

if you go to 1 Peter 3:20 you see a bit more:

""which sometime were disobedient when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah (120 years) while the ark was a preparing wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." 

 

Reply #648 from JoeUser Forums Top

Look above at the scripture in Ezekiel 36. Who's doing the creating?
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kfc posts:

"I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own land....Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you...I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people and I will be your God. (Ezek 36:24-28).

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First, to understand the correct meaning of Ezekiel, it's very important that we not leave out verse 25, "And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols." Hmmm....KFC, why'd you leave that one out or the rest of verse 26 for that matter? They are so very important to arrive at their true meaning.

Here's the whole of Ezekiel 36: 24-28 from the Douay Rheims version.  "For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries and will bring you into your own land. 25  And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit in the midst of you: and I will cause you to walk in my commandments and to keep my judgments and do them."

That's a powerful passage that has been fulfilled.

We agree that Almighty God is clearly doing the creating here for the Jews KFC as the part I highlighted along with verse 25 surely points out. But what is it?

Evidently you think Ezekiel has been fulfilled by the United Nations creation of the modern state of Isreal. That's twisting Scripture to promote political Zionism and that's not what Scripture is meant for. Shame on you! :thumbsdown:  

Interestingly enough, it speaks of creation for Jews by spiritual rebirth through the washing of rengeration and renewal of the Spirit.

Ezekiel is another of those Scriptural passages which illustrates the soul's trasformation by the removal of sin. Besides this one in Ezek. 36:25, Sin is said to be washed or cleansed away in Psalm 51:2-7; Isaias 1:16; Hebrews 1:3, 1St.John 1:7;  as well as Acts 22:16 which we have already discussed.   

Even many Evangelical theologians admit this passage refers to the Jews coming into the New and Eternal Covenant and that the washing and being cleansed refers to Baptism.

Reply #649 from JoeUser Forums Top

Lula is forgetting that the Jews are still awaiting the Messiah.
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No I haven't forgotten this at all...but it's an impossible dream. Just as the Old Testament prophets prophecied, the Messias has already come, that was Christ's first Advent....next time Christ comes, it won't be as the Messias...it will be as Judge of the living and the dead of the whole world.

At Christ's Second Coming, at the Final Judgment, every one in the whole world since Adam will bend his knee before the Judge and be given his eternal fate.

 

 

Reply #650 from JoeUser Forums Top

There is nothing confursing about it KFC, unless one wishes it to be.
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Oh sure, there ain't nothing confusing about the Bible. It's all clear and concise, not to mention factual and spot on. >_>

 

The words "conscience protection" was in the letter as he was rationalizing all his deeds good and bad to the RCC just before he died. Using a scale he has in his mind he felt his good deeds outweighed the bad and wanted to be absolved by the Pope before he died. How sad.
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Why do you find it sad? Personally, I find it admirable that he was humble (or scared) enough to think that maybe he wasn't clean, despite forgiveness and so on - that maybe, just maybe -  he was in need of absolution. That's awesome in my opinion. Much better than some of those high and mighty that think they're good as gold and then do whatever they want. 

 

The modern state of Israel is the nation state of the ancient nation of Israel.
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How do you figure? Are we talking literally or in other terms?

 

That's what it was founded for by the UN.
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Israel was founded by the UN to fulfill the Bible's wet dreams? Mind clarifying?