Apparently Feedalishious

Well... I was just playing a game on prison, me as oak and teamates the vamp and UB. We were against a sedna, TB with the 2k assassin trinket, and a regulus. After dying a few times I was called the worst feeder my vamp teamate had ever seen and then he rage-quit...

I'd like to know how its my fault that they all three went after me every time and even as oak in early game it is nearly impossible to live against

Fireball > pounce > 250 damage favor item > snipe from other side of the map

And i'm not joking, they saw me, they went after me

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Reply #1 Top

good strategy in my opinion. they were running a classic ganking team, i've seen that exact setup used by ALOT of the better teams i've played against. its a burst damage oriented DG killing squad. i've seen it used to great effect by Stil Rey's team and by KoreaSlayer's team. i'm sure plenty of others use it as well. 

 

they probably chose to focus on you in particular because Oak is known to be weakest in the early game but can be hard to handle at later levels. they decided it was a good strategy to try and stunt your growth by singling you out. apparently it worked. 

Reply #2 Top

It's not your fault really. Prison is such an open map that it's ridiculously easy to get a kill early game. What you should have done was stick with one of your teammates, and run the minute you saw one of them coming. You also could have done the same thing they were doing, and gang up on one of them. Oak is weak early game, and can't stand up against many of the other DG.

Reply #3 Top

 Some people just think that you should play their way or not at all. I have been trying out a Vamp Minion build, that has been working really well, that does not allow for much pushing or fighting other Demigods early on. During one game I was holding the flag farming creeps and one of my teamates starts giving me grief for not attacking the towers and running from other Demigods.

 Since I wasnt playing an Assassin Build like he was, he was Oak, I was a bad player and worse then an AI. In the end we won the game and I even had the highest rank.

 Just ignor the jerks and try and have fun.

 I also hate it when all three team up on me. Last game I had all three team kill me and take out our tower. This was about 5 mins in the game. Decided I wasn't having fun and quite. I play to have fun, not HC.

Reply #4 Top

Basically.... you played on a bad map against a ganking team (though honestly, Sedna? UB would probably be a better choice for pure ganking, though I can see how Sedna with heal would be valuable for TB, although I don't see why he wouldn't just stack health after the vlemish faceguard.)

 

It's really hard to stay alive on prison if your partners aren't even more focused on "kill the enemies" than you are. If you were playing on a balanced map (cataract) then you probably could have survived this ganking team a bit better (or it would have been two of your guys vs. regulus and you vs. two of the enemies, or your two guys would get an uncontested lane, etc. Though Reg. could still sniple.

 

And trust me, there are way worse feeders than you would have been if all of your deaths were stupid. I've seen a Sedna go pure yets and charge at the enemy citadel from level 1. I can understand wanting to hit the objective early.... but when your death speed is only limited by your respawn time... ugh.

Reply #5 Top

me as oak
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you probably already know this but shield is very good for stopping ganks, also be careful of pounce or deep freeze as they are interrupts.

I'd like to know how its my fault
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dont worry, it isnt.

Reply #6 Top

It's Prison. Prison is, in my opinion, the worst map ever. One side or the other gets horribly and completely trounced every game. I don't think I've ever seen a game of prison with fewer than a 10-15 kill difference between the teams. You were just on the wrong side.

 

Now, that said, I find an early Shield helps give Oak and his teammates a much needed survivability boost.

Reply #7 Top

Quoting WickedDemiurge, reply 6
It's Prison. Prison is, in my opinion, the worst map ever.
End of WickedDemiurge's quote
Crucible is worse.  It's just a race to see who can get Trebuchets first then it's over because it's only one lane.

Reply #8 Top

ill hvae to try trebuchets on crucible.  whys it a race to get there? what happens that is game changing?

Reply #9 Top

Aw i feel so special to get an honorable mention :)

Ha but yeah this strat works very well against players with low health, meaning not getting blood of the fallen at the begining. Shield should prevent you from dieing a few times but it has to be used at the perfect time.

Reply #10 Top

Oak player here, I'm not that experienced but IMHO the best way to deal with this is to play like a complete pussy.

You see more than one of them near you and you book it.

Buy the boots of speed, they are useful when you need to get out of dodge and for flag capping.

Pick up at least rank 1 of penitence so if they start to chase you can slap em with it and run.

Spend your time running to empty flags and capping them, lay down spirit wards whenever you have to kill enemy creeps, you can level up and help your team without getting into mortal combat with gank teams.

Oak is really squishy for the first 8 levels or so, so always carry AT LEAST 1 teleport scroll, and use it as soon as you hit half health against enemy DG's.

Reply #11 Top

I'd like to know how its my fault that they all three went after me every time and even as oak in early game it is nearly impossible to live against
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Easy, just run, the moment you see for than one, run the freaken hills, lol. You may not see it as your fault, but anyone who tried to fight 2v1 or 3v1 needs to wake up and know you aren't gonna win.

1. buy wand of speed

2. run like a chicken with it's head cut off

Sorry if I sound like an ass, but whats the point of these kind of posts? Do you expect us to hold your hand, pat you on the back and tell you "it is ok Billy, it is not your fault, those other kids are just being mean. When they grow up they will get hooked on heroine and die"? Really. If you think it is not your fault, then no amount of convincing will do other wise. If you think it is your fault, quit wasting time posting and get practicing, lol.

Reply #12 Top

last 2 posts are correct.

it is your fault because you didn't run instantly!

if they want to gank you, then run, if they turn around, go back, if they again try to gank you, repeat it. this way they will waste time while your team is leveling or crushing their towers or capping flags, k?

Reply #13 Top

Quoting themadmanazn, reply 11

I'd like to know how its my fault that they all three went after me every time and even as oak in early game it is nearly impossible to live against


Easy, just run, the moment you see for than one, run the freaken hills, lol. You may not see it as your fault, but anyone who tried to fight 2v1 or 3v1 needs to wake up and know you aren't gonna win.

1. buy wand of speed

2. run like a chicken with it's head cut off

Sorry if I sound like an ass, but whats the point of these kind of posts? Do you expect us to hold your hand, pat you on the back and tell you "it is ok Billy, it is not your fault, those other kids are just being mean. When they grow up they will get hooked on heroine and die"? Really. If you think it is not your fault, then no amount of convincing will do other wise. If you think it is your fault, quit wasting time posting and get practicing, lol.
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I didn't fight and the second I saw one I tried to book it out but then the TB, who was ice, slowed me, the Sedna wand of speeded to me, and reg snipe, well that needs to explanation.

Reply #14 Top

Quoting themadmanazn, reply 11

I'd like to know how its my fault that they all three went after me every time and even as oak in early game it is nearly impossible to live against
Easy, just run, the moment you see for than one, run the freaken hills, lol. You may not see it as your fault, but anyone who tried to fight 2v1 or 3v1 needs to wake up and know you aren't gonna win.

1. buy wand of speed

2. run like a chicken with it's head cut off

Sorry if I sound like an ass, but whats the point of these kind of posts? Do you expect us to hold your hand, pat you on the back and tell you "it is ok Billy, it is not your fault, those other kids are just being mean. When they grow up they will get hooked on heroine and die"? Really. If you think it is not your fault, then no amount of convincing will do other wise. If you think it is your fault, quit wasting time posting and get practicing, lol.
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Quoting goldmull, reply 12
last 2 posts are correct.

it is your fault because you didn't run instantly!

if they want to gank you, then run, if they turn around, go back, if they again try to gank you, repeat it. this way they will waste time while your team is leveling or crushing their towers or capping flags, k?
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You make it sound so easy. Regulus and TB both have abilities that can slow you down. If he bought a +speed item what makes you think that the Sedna won't do the same?

 

Reply #15 Top

ok, if that was the situation, you need to super stack hp items.

Favor Item: Blood of Fallen +800hp

Banded Armor: +400hp

Unbreakable boots: +600 hp

For about 2050 gold you just gained 1800hp, enough to soak up a low level snipe + fireball + pounce =)

Reply #16 Top

You make it sound so easy. Regulus, TB and UB all have abilities that can slow you down. UB is naturally faster than Oak, and even if he bought a +speed item what makes you think that the UB won't do the same?

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First it was a regulus, TB, and SEDNA (not UB)

Second Prision is a pretty small map, you can get the away pretty fast.

Third honestly, your team mates should have tried to help you

Reply #17 Top

Quoting themadmanazn, reply 15
ok, if that was the situation, you need to super stack hp items.

Favor Item: Blood of Fallen +800hp

Banded Armor: +400hp

Unbreakable boots: +600 hp

For about 2050 gold you just gained 1800hp, enough to soak up a low level snipe + fireball + pounce
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Quoting themadmanazn, reply 16

You make it sound so easy. Regulus, TB and UB all have abilities that can slow you down. UB is naturally faster than Oak, and even if he bought a +speed item what makes you think that the UB won't do the same?


First it was a regulus, TB, and SEDNA (not UB)

Second Prision is a pretty small map, you can get the away pretty fast.

Third honestly, your team mates should have tried to help you

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Yeah, I already changed that. Brain farts suck.

Anyway, the towers on prison are spaced far apart. Depending on where you are it can be too late to run. Especially when there are 3 DG pounding on you.

Secondly, how is he supposed to raise 2050 gold when he continously runs away? Even if he did 1800 HP isn't going to help when three DG are attacking at once, especially since they're not going to be at a low level by the time he can afford this set up.

Finally, his allies can't protect him forever. If they do then they'll become under-leveled.

Reply #18 Top

It is true that the towers are spaced apart, but if you have been killed once or twice, you are best not venturing too far from center flag/towers.

You can raise money because

1. you start with about half of that

2. gold minse generate money

If you keep getting ganked, your teammates should help you, Demigod is a team game, and your TEAM will lose if you don't help each other.

I understand you are trying to defend the op, but refuting suggestions isn't gonna make him a better demigod player.

Reply #19 Top

Quoting JagerJack, reply 14


You make it sound so easy. Regulus and TB both have abilities that can slow you down. If he bought a +speed item what makes you think that the Sedna won't do the same?

 
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you make it sound so hard. you see both of them before they can do anything. we're talking about early game here? permafrost lvl1 just slows for 3%, that's not a big deal. also he has to get near you.

and for regulus...well just fucking run away, he won't be able to shoot if he's not in range...and we're still talking about early game here. he will only have lvl 1 range. and even if he gets in range, maim lvl 1 will slow for just 5%. so there will be 8% max until lvl 5...wand of speed negates and still improves.

so if you don't let them get near you, there might be sedna cause she is faster, but she won't be able to kill you alone if you run instantly.

until they're lvl 5 you should notice they are focusing on you, so stack on speed and hp (and skill shield).

they won't continue ganging on you if you proceed like i already posted or they will be wasting time while your enemies will level up, capture the flags -> especially gold flag <- and buy currency, which your team will get earlier as your war rank will be higher, so there shouldn't be a problem with gold neither!

 

 

so...yes it's your fault, you're not innocent, but it's your team's fault too, because they didn't help. at the end of the day, you were the worse team <_<

Reply #20 Top

  as much as I hate feeder team mates I hate worthless coward team mates even more.   

 

 you know the ones where you are 1vs1ing a demigod both at about half life  and then your team mate happens to run by at 70% life and.....    runs right by you and on to the health stone because hes at 70% life and afraid he might die.

 

  also I love when its a Sedna, QoT or Erebus who accuses their team mates of "feeding".      Ive seen a QoT who contributed absolutly nothing to the team all she did was shield herself and hide.  then later on she complained that her team mates had died more than her.      well no sh## they were fighting 2vs3 the whole game.

 

 

  that said if you are a slow rook stop charing into the enemies side of the map alone to attack a tower

Reply #21 Top

Quoting themadmanazn, reply 18
It is true that the towers are spaced apart, but if you have been killed once or twice, you are best not venturing too far from center flag/towers.

You can raise money because

1. you start with about half of that

2. gold minse generate money

If you keep getting ganked, your teammates should help you, Demigod is a team game, and your TEAM will lose if you don't help each other.

I understand you are trying to defend the op, but refuting suggestions isn't gonna make him a better demigod player.
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I'm refuting them because these suggestions won't help very much. I'm not defending the OP for the hell of it. Just plain running isn't the way to go, because then they've achieved their main goal: stopping him from getting a good mid-game build. An Oak can be a real threat mid-game if he can get off the ground. If you're constantly running you'll never get air-borne.

I already suggested that he should have stuck with his teammates instead of relying on them to come save him. You can't expect them to be able to save him everytime, they might be low on health themselves, or they might not make it in time. By sticking together everyone gets a chance to level and the enemy will think twice about attacking an Oak, UB, and Erebus at the same time.

I'm not saying that it's not his fault, because it kind of is. His team lacked teamwork. But you can't expect him to know from the start of the match that the enemy is going to gang up on him. It seems like he got killed early and fell behind because he was preparing for a 1v1, not a 3v1.

 

 

 

 

Reply #22 Top

as much as I hate feeder team mates I hate worthless coward team mates even more.

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You'd love computers then =)

Reply #23 Top

Quoting goldmull, reply 19



Quoting JagerJack,
reply 14


You make it sound so easy. Regulus and TB both have abilities that can slow you down. If he bought a +speed item what makes you think that the Sedna won't do the same?

 


you make it sound so hard. you see both of them before they can do anything. we're talking about early game here? permafrost lvl1 just slows for 3%, that's not a big deal. also he has to get near you.

and for regulus...well just fucking run away, he won't be able to shoot if he's not in range...and we're still talking about early game here. he will only have lvl 1 range. and even if he gets in range, maim lvl 1 will slow for just 5%. so there will be 8% max until lvl 5...wand of speed negates and still improves.

so if you don't let them get near you, there might be sedna cause she is faster, but she won't be able to kill you alone if you run instantly.

until they're lvl 5 you should notice they are focusing on you, so stack on speed and hp (and skill shield).

they won't continue ganging on you if you proceed like i already posted or they will be wasting time while your enemies will level up, capture the flags -> especially gold flag <- and buy currency, which your team will get earlier as your war rank will be higher, so there shouldn't be a problem with gold neither!

 

 

so...yes it's your fault, you're not innocent, but it's your team's fault too, because they didn't help. at the end of the day, you were the worse team
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Ever heard of something called snipe? That at level one will do 400 damage from across a map, and by the time things started to become really bad they were level four, so the 3% is higher. Also the Sedna had wand of speed and pounce rank2, all that on one guy hurts like hell real quick.

Also I did stick with my team-mates on the far-left flag (opposite the artifact place) but they couldn't do much as when they came over they could barely hurt the Sedna (easiest one to get) in the time it took to hurt me enough and when i suggested TB he just ran. If i had sticked in the middle the Reg coulda auto-attacked me so that would of been a bad choice.

Reply #24 Top

Why do I get the feeling I was part of this ganking squad?  Because I played with a Sedna constantly and I use either TB, UB, or Reg in Prison.

Reply #25 Top

Quoting goldmull, reply 19

they won't continue ganging on you if you proceed like i already posted or they will be wasting time while your enemies will level up, capture the flags -> especially gold flag <- and buy currency, which your team will get earlier as your war rank will be higher, so there shouldn't be a problem with gold neither!
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This.

I've had similar experience on prison. If the enemy team focuses too much on demigod killing, you can just avoid them and focus on flags and creeps. You will be upgrading earlier, especially since they will be pouring their money into items.

In one game, we were like 4-5 levels down each, and yet we got to warscore 10 with a 2 level lead on them, because they kept ignoring the flags. :) they were really badass mofos at that time, but once we got WS10, two of us spent all the money we saved to grab giants + creep upgrades and visited their side with a few lock scrolls in our purse.

Game was over before they knew it. We were inferior in items and levels, hell.. the K:D ratios were horrible :) and yet we won the day. In fact, a similar tactic works nicely on all the maps. Despite what some of the killwhore UB players out there are saying, conquest mode is about flags and creeps and not about demigod kills.