si1foo

Join Date 11/2008

something i found major op

i was fighting like usual it was even niether side was winning or lose both side were holding there own then there regulus got ashkandor and then we all started dieing a shit load more we got pushed straight back and then lost

regulus killed us all and did rediculous amounts of dmg he took ur rook out in a few sec and he had 8k health ashkandor in the hands off a quick attack is op

the item has 10% chance to do a 4X crit + 120dmg and 25% attack speed 12% life steal

it is so powerful it is op even sedna who with out anyother crit items does 300dmg norm which adding this makes a 1.6k crit

which i think is kinda rediculous espically when 2 sides are even till someone gets it

it does more then all skills and if the reg is smart and gets wing even lvl 1 then mobs dont work and niether does demis it just seems screwed up a item can change the tide in a battle

and people bitch about HOL i say ashkandor is a shit load more dangerous

why does this game have crit items it isn't like u need them espically seeing asthis isn't a mmorpg were kiling the enermy is important

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That's sort of the whole point of the upper end weapons and items, tie breakers. Take this experience as a good lesson on winning.

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You let reg save for a 18k arifact item..you were losing.

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This item has lots of power.....

That's why it's 18,000 gold.

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Quoting kerzain,

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That's sort of the whole point of the upper end weapons and items, tie breakers. Take this experience as a good lesson on winning.

Exactly, and as you are decribing the match maybe their team would have won if from the start he would have used that money to get, idk, citadel upgrades + mage slayer or something like that. Bottom line, items like that are made to give incredible advantage to break stalemates, also if the game was in a tie as you said your team should have had another 18k to use, but you didnt have that money so that game was not even, it just seem like it was in a tie because the regulus player was a little selfish.

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Top 3 broken items are most likely Askhandor, Heart of Life, and Bracelet of Rage.

A x4 crit is really just obscene and backbreaking. A full 1k off in a hit will pretty much end a fight.

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Quoting Warskullx,

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A x4 crit is really just obscene and backbreaking. A full 1k off in a hit will pretty much end a fight.

By the time this is afforded DG's should have 6-9k hit points, abilities will be doing more then 1k in themselves, and unlike ability damage these crits are mitigated by armor.

It doesn't need to be toned down, it is this way for a reason.

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Just to give a perspective

18k is about the same amount it costs to go to giants from absolutely no creep upgrades. A move that usually wins the game by itself.

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Why the heck would an item that costs more than all of the upgrades from Priests to Giants not change the tide of a battle? If someone on the other team amassed 18,000 gold, you either already lost the game or you should have enough to counter them with an artifact of your own.

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I love being Regulus with Ashkandor when game speed is set to fast. It's like firing a machine gun at a crowd and every bullet hitting someone in the head. And once I saw a 4k crit from a normal angelic fury attack, I think the crits from Slayers Wraps and Ashkandor happened simultaneously or something...?

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This is only OP if you fail to factor in all the aspects. 18k gold, whatever you spend it on, will pretty much win you the game. Unless the opponents have 18k as well and spend it more wisely..

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Quoting Warskullx,

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The original poster is correct Ashkandor is overpowered, it just isn't a factor in most games. It should be an easy fix though, just cut the crit down to x2. You still have +25% attack speed, +180 damage, and +12% lifesteal.

Top 3 broken items are most likely Askhandor, Heart of Life, and Bracelet of Rage.

A x4 crit is really just obscene and backbreaking. A full 1k off in a hit will pretty much end a fight.

HoL is fine it is only OP to the general class but for an assassin its really needed.

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To sum up the lessons learned in this thread:

In order to not lose the game, don't let the opponents amass and spend their 18k+ gold faster than your team.

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Quoting Miyamiya,

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Just to give a perspective

18k is about the same amount it costs to go to giants from absolutely no creep upgrades. A move that usually wins the game by itself.

yup and this needs to be fixed cital upgrades should be there to assist the DG. in order to win it should be DGs.The best way to do this is have options before the game starts what upgrades are permited for both sides.

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Quoting stryker247,

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Quoting Miyamiya, reply 7Just to give a perspective

18k is about the same amount it costs to go to giants from absolutely no creep upgrades. A move that usually wins the game by itself.

yup and this needs to be fixed cital upgrades should be there to assist the DG. in order to win it should be DGs.The best way to do this is have options before the game starts what upgrades are permited for both sides.

No, you are incorrect. The way the game works now is perfeclty fine. The only real way to get the gold in order to upgrade to giants and catapaults is to kill opponent DGs, so yes even still, it is still the case that "in order to win it is DGs."

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TIE BREAKER. TIE BREAKER. TIE BREAKER.

TIE BREAKER. Seriously, its a TIE BREAKER.

I don't care what you said, but i'll defend my right to kill you for it!

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but a 18k crit item in the hands off any other demigod doesn't have a huge success chance because regulus can fire so quickly it makes him so ubber powerful

i have played as reg there is like 3 builds

full dps with wings and all the enhances

mine build with sniper does quiet a bit off dmtg and works well

sniper dps not as powerful as wings dps but has a finisher that doesn't really fail

come on what skill is there in fighting a fight for like 25 mins working well doing good dmg and then a uber crit item boosts regs power and slauthers u

you can't say that crits are even even though any character can get the item he has the best build for dps and

if you put it in the hands of erebus or sedna or qot or rook they are no were near as good and even in the hands off tb they anit very good

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Quoting kerzain,

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Quoting Warskullx, reply 5A x4 crit is really just obscene and backbreaking. A full 1k off in a hit will pretty much end a fight.
By the time this is afforded DG's should have 6-9k hit points, abilities will be doing more then 1k in themselves, and unlike ability damage these crits are mitigated by armor.
It doesn't need to be toned down, it is this way for a reason.

but if the base dmg of a reg is 500 and fires about 5-8 shots per sec not counting crits which is ohh so annouying

i havn't see any demi with enough armor to survive i even see demis getting creamed while at the heal point

dont forget there are 3 crit items and 2 are 5% and 1 is 10% so 20% chance to crit that is so great if the chance to do it was lower or the X was lower it would be better but

what is the point of haveing a great fight if the other team wins because he got ashkandor

i have killed regs before he isn't op but the item makes him op

everyone bitches about erebus bite being op but compared to a dude wacking u with a crit item it seem like a weak thing

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Quoting stryker247,

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Quoting Warskullx, reply 5The original poster is correct Ashkandor is overpowered, it just isn't a factor in most games. It should be an easy fix though, just cut the crit down to x2. You still have +25% attack speed, +180 damage, and +12% lifesteal.

Top 3 broken items are most likely Askhandor, Heart of Life, and Bracelet of Rage.

A x4 crit is really just obscene and backbreaking. A full 1k off in a hit will pretty much end a fight.

HoL is fine it is only OP to the general class but for an assassin its really needed.

not all gens for gens with out sheilds it is fine

ashkandor shouldn't be given or should be decreased in its range off dmg to the assasins that have high attack speed

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but a 18k crit item in the hands off any other demigod doesn't have a huge success chance because regulus can fire so quickly it makes him so ubber powerful

Sure. BUT, Reg is a famously weak DG early on. So it gets the advantage of being strong late, but gets the disadvantage of being weak early. That sounds pretty balanced to me. As people have been saying, you should have ended the game WAY before you let a Reg get an 18k artifact if things were equal. They were a better team than you and won.

Complaining that Reg is too powerful because of late game conditions only is just silly. You also need to take into account what is going on for the early and mid game, which is usually when matches are decided anyway and thus more important.

Reg is a VERY strong tiebreaker. But tiebreaking is such an infrequent thing that its not really a major part of discussing the balance of DGs. Its just one small advantage in a Reg user's favor, which is balanced (as I've pointed out) by other disadvantages.

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my one problem with ashkandor is that it is better than a lot of similarly priced artifact items. makes me think those items should cost less or ashkandor should cost slightly more.

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Quoting taintofven,

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my one problem with ashkandor is that it is better than a lot of similarly priced artifact items. makes me think those items should cost less or ashkandor should cost slightly more.

i think ashkandor crit ability should be toned down badly 4X is too much espically with 10% and the perks it gives 2

ashkandor is so op it is rediculous and i using it and just clicking on the dude your firinghg at and killing him that way takes 0 skill

it takes more skill tto use any other dude then reg he is the easiest to use

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I think all of the artifacts need a tone-down, but from what I've been reading here on teh forums, very few people agree with me.

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Quoting si1foo,

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but a 18k crit item in the hands off any other demigod doesn't have a huge success chance because regulus can fire so quickly it makes him so ubber powerful

Apparently you've never seen ashkandor on UB or erebus. It's complete ownage on anyone, you let it happen though. It's a bit redonk that crits hit towers but meh. It's a crazy item because its crazy expensive, you should have been owning his face off while he was saving up the money for it.

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Considering all it takes to get the Ashkandor, you had it coming.

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My issue is that once a game gets to around war-rank 7-9, you're pretty much set with what you want to have so everything you get goes toward the artifacts. I just think that it kills a game thats very even.

Yes, I understand there needs to be a tie breaker, but it's very frustrating when that 'tie-breaker' just requires the other person to click on an item.

Again, I know people don't agree with me, just throwing my openion out there

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