if dota players play demigod, that does not necessarily mean demigod will become a dota clone. and i'm sure stardock/gpg will be glad just as glad to take dota players money just as much as they want yours. if they didn't want dota players playing this they wouldn't openly advertise to be inspired by it. 

Actually henlopen. Not because they said Demigod was inspired by dota means that it is going to be a clone of dota.

"if dota players play demigod, that does not necessarily mean demigod will become a dota clone."

No one ever said that it will be a dota clone and not many here are expecting or looking forward to it being one. Infact that is what most of the dota players are expecting, another dota which is not going to be and that is why many see dissapointment into this. That is where all this OMFG LoL > Demigod because DG is not Dota enough and LoL is like super evolved form of Dota starts.

What you have to learn to deal with my friend is that not everyone likes dota and not because they don't like it mean that you or any die hard dota fan has to go super emo and ///// wrist.

"stardock/gpg will be glad just as glad to take dota players money just as much as they want yours. if they didn't want dota players playing this they wouldn't openly advertise to be inspired by it. "

That is what any game developer would want or has in mind when they say "inspired by, the creators of, the developers of, from the people who brought you. It is the same anywhere you look. Stardock is trying something else with the dota concept as it was done with supreme commander for an RTS.

It's never a good idea to compare two unreleased games.

I remember when Sword of the Stars was being compared to Sins of a Solar Empire.  The development teams on both games even once worked together and on the surface both games seemed similar.

But it's in execution that games end up being very different from one another.

League of Legends really does look like it runs on the Warcraft 3 Engine... they can't expect to be a success with those graphics. Maybe they are hoping all dota players will just shift over. 

Looking at the gameplay I have to say Demigod ftw  

have you seen WoW graphics? i like how blizzard graphics doesn't try to be more than a game. this also allows for running on lower specs, and lets the developers focus that much more on gameplay. it seems like riot games is following in their footsteps. i'm all for it.

I just cant bring myself to play league of legends...i hate that sugar-coated japanese cartoon style...if i wanted that i would have watched the japanese powerpuff girls.

That said demigod's graphics are wicked, a bit put off by sedna and QoT's faces...theyre a bit weird and scare me.

Also it looks like theres no room for multiple builds in LoL, just lots of different characters to chose from. I think that once demigod gets going and gets a few more additions to it's family, demigod will deffinately reign supreme.

we'll see i suppose. i do hope both games are greatly successful though. this genre really deserves the publicity.

LoL so far looks like its exactly the same as DotA. and by god there forums are full of DotA fanboys... so i guess it will have the same community as DotA. and the community seems to place more importance on it being better than demigod and polls about how many of them play dota (94% said one poll) than the actualy substance of the game. but thats just the community, im guessing the game will be awesome, but i have yet to play and properly compare the 2 betas.

WoW is over 4 years old. When it first came out it had the best graphics for any mmo. Warcraft 3 was the same- amazing graphics for its time. It is not that Blizzard makes games with low graphics, but instead their games are such good quality that they last a long time (People still play Starcraft 1 today!  ). 

Anyway graphics are an important component of games now, especially considering the steep competition. 

Neither of those things are true - they have a cohesive art style (less so for Warcraft 3), however technically, they were underpowered even at the time of their release.

Agreed, Blizzard purposefully doesn't make games with great graphics because they want people with older machines to be able to play them.  Mass appeal, that's what Blizzard is all about.

Blizzard games have distinctive and cohesive art styles (as DK put it), but they do not have remarkable graphics.

Could you name a rts with better graphics than warcraft 3 when it was released? Can you do the same for a mmo when World of Warcraft was released?

MMO - Everquest 2. Released within days of WoW, and sporting technically far better graphics.

RTS - tba.

Age of Mythology came out in the same year and IMO has better graphics than Warcraft III.

well said

 no

Fine.  Empire Earth.  Just search Gamespot RTS games, and you'll find other examples.

Yeah I know other rts games existed but WC3 had better graphics. 

I disagree.  WC3 graphics look pretty good, I'll admit, but this is mainly achieved by using bright colors and large unit silhouettes.  The style of the game allows it to look good without being particularly taxing graphics-wise.  There are rarely a lot of units on screen at once and none of the units have a great deal of detail.  Other games that came out around this time had more units on screen at once with a larger amount of detail.  In other words, Warcraft 3 was one of the better looking games of its time, but it was not as graphically impressive as you make it out to be.

I'm not knocking WC3, I like it, but saying that Blizzard games tend to have great graphics is simply not true.  Blizzard uses distinctive art style to make their games look great despite having lower graphics requirements, which means they can be played by a larger user base and still be very appealing.  That's part of the secret to their massive success.

Xan, Thank you for seeing reason. I'm about to get married and you're invited  

JK about the invite

Graphics are overrated, play games for their gameplay. Graphics should be secondary and used as all only an accompaniment.

I happen to be one of those people who don't think graphics should matter much.  It's gameplay for me. As long as the graphics aren't distracting.

I think people will find that Demigod and LOL are sufficiently different enough that there will be fans of both who play both.

It need not be a Master of Orion vs. Galactic Civilizations type scenario.  I love Master of Orion 1/2 and me liking MOO took nothing away from GalCiv.

Speaking personally, one of the things I think Demigod does to stand out is provide viable roles for people who aren't truly hard core.  For instance, capturing flags IS important.  Spending money to upgrade the Citadel IS important.  And those are things you can do, as part of your team, without being an uber-skilled person.  

In Dota (in my experience) there was a lot of hostility for those who weren't properly built for the game in question.  In Demigod, there's a place for casual players on a team alongside hard core.

...and you, Xan, are the poster child of the "see-and-hear-only-what-they-want-to-see-and-hear" Stardock fans.  I have been around here for well over "a few weeks."  You love to put words in my mouth, and you love to exaggerate.  Why don't you put some effort into being open minded and some time into reading comprehension and leave ME (and posters like me who aren't flower-tossing starry-eyed lovers of the game and its developers) alone.

By posting the way you do about me you have only succeeded in creating for yourself an image that is congruent with the words you use to slander me.  Chill out.

Even I (the hopeless "poster-child" of mindless DotA-loving Demigod-bashing drones) appreciate this quality of the game.  My only worry is that the statement "there's a place for casual players on a team alongside hard core [players]" may be just a bit too true.  All of the things you mentioned casual players can do are indeed important, but they also require no skill and little knowledge of the game - as I am sure you realize. In fact, that's your point.  My worry is that such aspects of the game may be too large a fraction of the important aspects of gameplay.  Nevertheless, I think there's potential for the game to be shaped and developed further through simple number tweaking, skill balancing, and item additions.  I think there is reason to be optimistic assuming the developers are open to feedback and willing to make significant changes if necessary.

I believe a game can be very approachable, fun, and playable for less experienced players while still having a lot to learn and grasp and practice and sharpen and hone for experienced players, and I'm optimistic that Demigod may develop into a game that is accessible yet still requires a good deal of skill at the highest level.  I've invested my time (and money) into the game, so I am being honest when I say that I wish it only the best in developing a "highest level" that is indeed high.

By the way, Frogboy, I also agree that graphics are not very important, though extreme artistic styles can still bother me (LoL might fall into that category for me, I'm not sure).  Demigod has graphics that I happen to like a lot, though the levels are a bit too simplistic (despite the really cool background scenery) in my opinion.  Luckily I don't need to run the game on high graphics to enjoy it, because my computer isn't quite good enough to run it at high settings.

My point is...LoL is free, payed by microtransactions. Demigod is released in $40 ($60 w/ shipping) and will be $30 or even $20 in a few months depending on the success, and even then it's not sure that the want-a-quick-RTS-game fanbase moves to Demigod instead of another free game. That's what I'm worried about >.<

I'm not cancelling my preorder because...well I just dunno, but right now I'm a little bit dissapointed with the game. I don't have that "special" excitement I'm supposed to have about the success of the game due to it's quality/gameplay. Mostly with the lack of skills/builds as others have said and the uncertain future even withouth having been released yet.

Uh Pako......LoL isn't free. Dota May be (though you still have to buy warcraft first), but LoL will be a "real" game, designed to turn a profit and all that.