Unclean beast Ballance

Was it human or ai?  What lvl was he?  Where you fighting back?  What amount of health did you have when he started attacking?  How many prior kills did he have (so we can guess at wealth and loadouts)?

Under a lot of scenarios this is not a problem.

Either he got a super-hard crit (I've crit for 4.5k before with UB thanks to both Ashkandor and the Crit Gloves proccing at the same time and stacking with UB's +%damage buff), or you fed all game, bought bad items (if you bought anything at all) and were grossly outleveled.

I'm betting the latter.  No offense.

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I had my Regulus killing 2-3 5k+ health/lvl 16+ demigods in rougly 5 seconds total earlier (ok, normal AI, but still). Sounds like the Unclean Beast player had fully upgraded and decked out his character with the best items.

yea i know what u mean innociv when i first read this i wrote a whole paragraph writing why this coudlve happened then backspaced it and went "this is pointless hes clearly a noob"

Haha, i just did that in a pantheon game, with the 2x crit gloves and the ashkandr and some life steal items you get 3k+ crits and can stay alive forever with life steal.  don't even need any active abilities...maybe the +weapon damage one, maybe the stun one (so they can't teleport away).  It's a laugh.  Of course, I'm fairly certain I was against comps so I wouldn't put much stock by it.  Regardless, the UB does seem ridiculously easy to play.  The base attack speed and damage is incredible - you're a killer pretty much from the word go, only Rook is hardy enough to give you trouble.

OMG REGOLAS SHOOT N KILL ME FROM WAY OUT OF SITE NERF PLX

Sorry about that Lormar no it wasn't an AI and I had 2 lifesteal items and 3 artifacts including all father ring. Had like +80hp regen not including lifesteal also bracelts of rage

It was very bad of me to do that

I think that's actually an unlockable achievement, no?  Kill someone at their crystal?  Incidentally I've seen this done by Rook, Regulus, and Oak against live players, too, so please don't nerf UB as a result of this. 

Well there you have your answer.  As it was HorseRadish who gave me my thrashing.  I played several matches against him and it seemed pretty imposible to win.  My AI were completely incompitent, and His Unclean Beast, simply ran the map.  Even early on he seemed faster than me (Regulus with +10% speed item).  The only time i was able to kill him, was when it was 3 or 4 on 1 (at the rare times when my AI players werent being idiots).  He seemed to be able to kill me at will.  I have to admit to being rather frustrated last night when i posted.   

Good acheivement!!!

Lormar that game your AI fed me for early kills and I got all the nice items needed early. Which your regulus takes a bit to get going beast can be on top of you right away. Invest in some Totems of Revelation for LoS which will let you know what is coming for you.

You also might want to play some custom games against some humans because the gameplay changes a lot.

While I don't think that the original post is proper evidence of imbalance, I do think there's something worth discussing here...the base stats of the UB seem way too good.  He ought to start out slower / weaker to make up for the great boosts he gets in passive abilities and the stun / life absorb he gets.  That's my opinion, in any case. 

Either that or some of the other Demigods definitely need to be boosted to that level (which I'm not sure is such a great idea).

I do think the Unclean Beast is a little overpowered.

Ok so maybe a noob question.  Totem?  where are thoes?  Thought i knew about everythign you could buy on the map, but that ones new on me.

totem of revelation (the observer wards) are buyable in the consumable shop for 50 Zimbabwe Dollar or whatever Demigods currency is.

UB Is overpowered.  Moves fast, does high dps and can self heal + stun.  Whats missing? He has no drawback...

Thanks will check into the consumable shop.

Also i agree with several people that UB is simply overpowered.

None of the Assassins really have drawbacks, though.

bingo!

If he is ever too good, it's simply because of wyrmskin stacking with his passive movespeed decreasing, and life leach being overpowered.

The lifeleach items all need to be reduced down. The 15% item should be 12%.  The 12% item should be 8%.  And slows need to be capped at 33% stacking.  Then see how good UB is.

He has disadvantages.
1:  His only stun requires him to stand still in place and be bait for interupt/stun/hammerslam/etc.
2: Aren't his skills pretty high mana cost?

His skills aren't high mana cost, whenever I play him mana cost is rarely something I worry about.  He doesn't cast his active abilities that often anyway.

I think you make a good point about snare and life leech.  If both of those get capped (as they should be) then UB will probably be fine.  Cap snares at 25-33%, and cap life leech at 20-33%.

Life leach doesn't need a cap like slow.  Life leach items just need nerf

You get 27% life leach too easy.  If hte 15% item is 12%, and the 12% item 8%, then that's 20% instead of 27%.  Should make a nice difference.

UB is mainly a DPS'er and reliant on snares.  With slow capped  at 33% and life leach nerfed, him and regulas are nerfed by proxy.

So should really wait for those things to be done before talking about his balance..
Also, while Rook and TB are clearer overpowered, and Oak and Erebus are clearly underpowered,  I mean no offense when I say that all of you (including me) aren't really qualified to say which is best of the "well-balanced-four".  Everyone needs a lot more play time  You say UB is overpowered, but I've killed lots of people, that aren't total noobs, playing UB with Erebus..

Even good UB's.. I've never had a problem with except when ganged.  Good Rook and TB, on the other hand, make me want to throw my computer out the window because they're so broken.

Yeah, I agree.  If life leech items are nerfed (I still think a cap wouldn't be totally out of order, but if items are nerfed it's basically the same thing) and snares are capped, then both Reg and UB become a LOT more reasonable.

Yeah no kidding.  Rook + (ice) TB is absolutely unstoppable at the moment, you spend most of the fight incapacitated. 

I've termed Rook, Regulus, and (ice) TB the "Big 3" because if you use any number of them in combination they are crazy good.  Games without any of them involved are generally pretty even (given even player skill) but games with any of the Big 3 involved usually prominently features abusive, annoying, OP crap.

That said, if stuns are fixed / capped and snares are capped then the Big 3 will become a lot more reasonable.

REgulas isn't that bad..  He'd be fixed pretty much by the speed cap like everything else.

Only thing making him ridiculous is dps with massive passive snare.  It's not like his skills are amazing.  Though,  snipe is good for shooting at someone running away, but becomes rarely useful at level 15+.

Oh, but single skills doing more than 33% slow should work.  It's just stacks should only work to 33%.

So rooks last level hammer slam for example, 50% slow for 3 secs, will still slow 50%, but nothing should add ontop.