Andromeda Mod Project

Command tell me thre is some one out there who remember about the andromeda ascendant, the high guard, The magog, the Nietzscheans etc

i can't be alone in the universe

sorry...cant help you on this...my knoledge of ancient Sci-fi shows limits itself to BSG and Star Trek

Sorry!

I know the show but I have never modded in my life...sorry.

at least you know the show and it's never to late to start modding

hey since you know the show what do you think should be the other(s) race for the mod

Magog, nietzscheans and the high guard for sure, not sure about the others.

Magog, nietzscheans and the high guard for sure, not sure about the others.

for the magog we see only 3 canon ships in the serie mother ship, a cruiser in s04 and swarm ships(four considering that the swarm ships for s01 and s03 are not the same)

maybe we could include some mecenary like the wall passing guy because they where at the sold of the spirit of the abyss

but for sure an andromeda mod wit out the magog is a FAIL

don't think that i qualify for be a "verry good modeler"... but i am a fan of Andromeda... one of two week ago, i have stop the creation of the high guard race for the 7DS mod since i was alone... a few models was already made... if you like them, i can give them to you... capitalship are 12k triangle, cruiser/frigate/combat platform are 4k triangle...

Glorious Heritage class ( capital ship )... picture from the mesh and a render :

Eternal Vigilance class ( scout cruiser ) : picture from the mesh and a render :

DSC ( dropship carrier ) ( capitalship with colonize ability )... Andromeda model is ugly and to few screenshot of it for modeling...so, i have use the ship in the song "Sing of Absolution" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDVqndXhPHk )... picture of the mesh and a render :

And the last model already finish is combat platform, AES-111 Odin Drone... created by the ability "combat platform" from capital ship... no picture of it, so i have imagine it... picture of the mesk and a render :

Description for each ship ( weapons / ability ) can be found at :

- Glorious Heritage Class : http://www.love-from-russia.be/GH.txt

- Eternal Vigilance Class : http://www.love-from-russia.be/EV.txt

- Victory's Crucible Class : http://www.love-from-russia.be/DSC.txt

- AES-111 Odin atmospheric sensor/Combat drones : http://www.love-from-russia.be/AES-111.txt

If you wish them, i will put a download link in these topic... let say that it is a donation from the 7DS mod tram to the Andromeda mod team... files in .3ds format... will not have the time to make the UV and texture them since i am busy with the creating of "The Dark" race ship... and after, i will start a second starbase for sins 1.05 ( big one who surround planet )... the "rogue" one is already finish and textured...

Thanks alot that's wonder full i was looking at the s01 ep 06 just yesterday wit the Eternal Vigilance class it's just awsome to find a picture of a good replica in the mod topic the next day and yes thoses models are interesting

and or now i'm relaying on a copy of the all systheme library for the function and power of the ships

http://www.saveandromeda.com/allsystems/ships/shipsindex.htm 

and according to this the Eternal Vigilance class should be an scout capital

Ouchhhhh.... if you keep the original data for weapons, high guard ship will be to much powerfull for other race... by example, a nova bomb can destroy a planet without problem... Andromeda have 40 of them !!! Or what about the huge number of fighters onboard...

ok, i will ready the files for you... will add the RA-26 Shrike Strike Fighter and the RF-42 Centaur Space Superiority Fighter, if i find them back... in 1/2 hours, in my next post...

PS : the saveandromeda site is great but not a lot of picture... take a look at the androwiki ... same data but more picture... by example, for the eternal vigilance class, i have base my model on the picture at the following page :

http://en.androwiki.org/Eternal_Vigilance_Class

File are ready... right click and "save as"... http://www.love-from-russia.be/Andromeda_ship.zip

Both the RA-26 Srike and the RF-42 Centaur added ... Use one to be a fighter and the other a bomber... they are around the 3k triangle... can seem high but in 7DS mod, empire have Tie fighter who are around the 4k tri and it work... don't be surprised if 7Ds, with the "Dark" race, have a fighter who look a little like the Centaur from far... i have use the side profile of the centaur wings... and strech the body... but they are enough different and texture will make them more "organic"...

Screenshot of the fighter mesh :

PS : Good luck with your mod... Andromeda can made a very good mod... unfortunaly, few people know or remember the serie... hmmm... will post a link on the 7DS forum, in the topic related to the high guard and explain that the project is not dead... and PM a guy who was ready to help me with coding... More people for make model will be found easily... people for texturing are difficult to find...

Since the high guard have not a lot of ship, i was thinking using other picture ( who look like high guard model ) for create new ship... by example, replace the ugly Garuda Class by a new Harpy class who will look like the next picture :

Or a titan class called Almaty who will look like the next picture :

My point is that you need first good 2D people, able to draw ship, if possible a front-back-top-below-3/4 view... these drawing will be the base of your 3D modeler... since the drawing will be colored, they will know where to place the poly for help the texturer after ( since UV always follow edges of poly )...

this explain the hell of a lot of thing sorry to tell but screenes are in fact render of a custom 3d model made by a fan i don't remember how and when it's over 6 years ago and they are acurate except for a part of the ship the "noze"

even the glorious heritage class have the same mistake

dude the second is freaking awsome

but for now i'm much more searching for moddeler to make the existing moddel after ill take a look deeper in custom ships 

and the gif in the main post is some of the canon ships not realy seen in the serie

and for balance don't warry it's just for a show like balance betwen the ships of the show

nova bomb won't be availible for "ethique purpose"

The fan is Benoit Leonard... a guy from my country, Belgium... When he have create these model, he was at the university, and 3D was part of his study... He have made great model but he have never release the mesh... Now, he live in Brazil... i have try to contact him but until now, i have no reply... The Harpies and Almaty are model from him too... And i have more render ( other space ship ) from him... but nowhere, you will find mesh from him and his model... so the only way is to use his render for recreate from scratch a model...

About the nose problem... nothing stop your 3D modeler(s) to change it... it is your model now, you make what you wish with them...

Yep... all in curve, metal color and some carved drawing in the metal... really look like the big brother of the Andromeda...

will be very very difficult to model, sure that the woman at the from will need to be removed and create a other ship nose... but it is really a beautifull model who is in the style of the high Guard... This work was made in 2006, just before the guy go to Brazil... ooopppsssss... Not Brazil, Chile...

High CG profile can be found at http://l2k.cgsociety.org/about/ ... maybe you can try contact him and ask him about his model... who know, maybe you will be more lucky... he have made magog ship too... the swarm ship and the world ship... of course, his model will be with a lot of poly, impossible to reduce for sins... but having a model help to create one from scratch with low poly... better, try to make him part of your team... on his own site ( http://www.nicepixel.eu/LU/pages/me.htm ), he wrote :

"3D Computer artist, confortable with modelling, animation, texturing and particule effects"

In 2005, he was in a mod team related to UT2004... so, why not try... he say no, the situation is the same that now... and if he say "yes", you will have one the the best modeller that i know for your mod...

I was thinking to have the nova bomb... via research, like the novalith cannon... same effect, 3000 damage to planet, kill some of the population, can shoot from other gravity wheel... will be a level 10 ability of capitalship...

Can make the nova bomb having effect like a half novalith cannon and a half kastura cannon... all race have a super weapon, the nova bomb is the super weapons of the High Guard...

I will try to contact him in one or two days if i have acces to the internet where i will be if i don't i will try in a week when i will come back

During this time if i have acces to internet or not i prob wont update the thread ill try to give a look so keep it active if i can't come i'll read everything

After all this by that time since my laptop is comming wit me ill have many updates for you when ill be back

some little update

i've been working on High Guards Capitals stats and habilities

so far i have done the

XMC, DSA, DSA II, LRS

they stil need some little balance and habilitie but they act has i hoped this on my first trie 

they are power full but it's a bad gues to deploy them wit out an escort fleet

still miss to import the models

dude best of luck with this, can't wait to play it (im an andromeda fan, seen almost every episode)

@thoumousin if you made those models can i draft you for Fires of war?

Thank

hey it look like i found a modeler my brother can make some models but started crying when i showed him alma

Hey Thoumsim or any one ow can i get thoses moddels in sins fast i just wan to have an andromeda flying while i code it would help alot around my motivation

i tryed but my skils when dealing wit models are REALY limited

Yep, i have made these models... and some other like a starbase for the rogue... my last one is a carrier cruiser for "the Dark" race... it will replace the Lasurak transporter ( Vasari ) that they use now... In fact, i need to create a full new line of ship and planet module for these race... so, i will be enough busy the next few months...

Now, say him that he need to make it with a maximum of 12k triangles ... yes, triangles, not quad... and he will cry a second time... curved thing use really a lot of poly...

the entity file is ready by the way

name and description edited for XMC, DSA, DSA II, LRS they even have specific mass weapon range strenght etc all what is missing for now is thier model to be sins ready (well the icon also is missing but that seem to be a sport to get them)

so is there any one willing to help me or will i just say go to hell all and close the mod?

For Now Thoumsim you did alot to help me but this project wont goes far if he is the only one helping me

as soon as i get an hand on a .tga editor icon will be done

Official web site online

What about the clans - house kodiak etc. These were also a threat.

I also remember in one episode a giant graveyard where highguard ships were re-activated, trapped/captured by the enemy during the war and attempted to be turned. Their was a few types here.

Also their was some huge siege/dreadnaught that was raiding sectors, a left over ship that had gone a little crazy.

They also had fighters.

http://www.saveandromeda.com/allsystems/ships/shipsindex.htm

http://forums.spacebattles.com/archive/index.php/t-25406.html

A quote, ignore the numbers as I do not know if they are accurate

High Guard Fleet: (Source: All Systems)

360,000 vessels total

150,000 Capital Ships Combat and Exploration Vessels
210,000 Support Ships

Fighters:

Shrike Fighters:
- 60,000 of the Tactical Variant existed
- unknown number of other variants

Other fighters
- unknown



Individual Class Types that we have numbers on: (Statements from the writers)

Glorious Heritage Cruisers: (XMC)

Now the Andromeda Ascendant site indicates that she was only the 10th ship in the Glorious Heritage Class line. All Systems states that the Glorious Heritage Cruisers were a relatively new class. Ashley one of the writers stated at one point that his guess is the number of XMCs was in the hundreds or very low thousands at the time of the fall.


DSA:
All we know is that according to All Systems and the writers that the DSAs were the most common ship in the High Guard fleet and the workhorse of the fleet.


DSX: (Statements on the show from Star Crossed and from statements the writers made on the messaage boards.

The DSX was the intended replacement for the DSA and the ultimate Magog killer. Three ships were completed before the Nietzscheans destroyed the Commonwealth.

Ships:
Siege Perilous II (Prototype)
Wrath of Achilles
Balance of Judgment


Rommie: "It's a fully armed Siege Perilous class Destroyer, Standard Equipment

180 ELS missile tubes
24 PDL turrets
4 AP cannons
32 Janus attack drones
6 Radiating counter measure generators"

Dylan: "In other words, a starship killer"
-- Star-Crossed


Philosophy:

Siege Perilous II-class DSX's were designed to do one thing: pop out of slipstream, unload a metric butt-load of ordnance from extreme range and disappear. The advantages of exchanging ELS tubes for fighter squadrons are several-fold:

1) Maintenance. "The more complicated the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." A large quantity of homogenous, relatively simple systems are much easier to maintain and more reliable than the XMC alternative.

2) Crewing. No fighters = no operators = no support/maint crew = no incidental crew. Extend this argument to other mission systems deployed on XMCs.

3) Massing of effects. This is much simpler when the vast majority of the offensive payload is single-source.

Yes, the DSX is vulnerable if you can get close to it... but the whole point of the platform is lost if the ship's Captain allows it to happen. Again, the Siege Perilous II was not built for hanging in a hairball. It was built to put steel on target independently, primarily for operations against the Magog. A ship like the DSX with a small crew and overwhelming, long-range offensive capabilities is highly desirable against an enemy that has certain... predilections...

Who was it who said, "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy!' until you can find a big enough stick?" Well -- whoever it was -- meet the stick.

-- Ashley Edward Miller



History:

"The original Siege Perilous was the first ship to respond to the Magog attack on Brandenburg Tor. Ship and crew fought bravely, but were completely overwhelmed by the Magog.

The DSX (an experimental replacement for the Righteous Fist of Heaven-class DSA) was designed to be a Magog-killer, the prototype was named "Siege Perilous" in honor of the brave souls who first took up arms against the [Magog].

-- Ashley Edward Miller

"Only two DSX ships were built before the outbreak of [the Nietzschean Revolt], and one of them was destroyed in port."

-- Zack Stentz

"The other Siege Perilous warship actually built was the Balance of Judgement's "brother" ship, the Wrath of Achilles.

Once thought to have been destroyed in port at the outset of the war, more reliable accounts say the Wrath of Achilles's Nietzschean captain murdered his own crew and attempted to bring over the ship to the Nietzschean alliance, but was thwarted and eventually killed by the ship's own AI. The final fate of the Wrath of Achilles is unknown, though there are some interesting rumors on the subject....

-- Zack Stentz

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Renewed Valour1

Mar 30th 2002, 1:11am

Originally posted by msimp

Know the Home Guard

XMC (Glorious Heritage class Heavy Cruiser) around 105,000
DSA (Righteous Fist of Heaven class Deep Stand-off Attack Ship) around 420,000
GDF (Pride of Kaldera class Group Defense Frigate) around 1,764,000
AAC (Siege Perilous class Atmospheric Attack Carrier)around 21,000
DSC (Victory's Crucible class Drop Ship Carrier) around 189,000




Where did those numbers come from!?! Well those ships were High Guard vessel classes that were used by the High Guard.

Home Guard:

From all indications the Home Guard was made up of each planet having a handful of cutters and patrol craft to defend their worlds. Some of them may have had a few larger capital ships; however it is doubtful. The Nietzschean Home Guard relied on patrol craft and freighters that they could quickly covert to destroyers by adding hardpoints. We can guess the size of the Home Guard from what little evidence we have.

We know that Castalia had about 20 cutters that we can confirm exist; they were all shown in a continuos shot in Bunker Hill. Castalian was a former Commonwealth member that was several devastated by the Long Night so it is safe to say many worlds could have had Home Guards more powerful than hers. Of course then some would most likely be weaker so it all balances out.

My guess here is for what each planet would have for a Home Guard and seems to be consitenbt with what we've seen in the post-thud universe:

Home Guard for a single World.

20 Cutters
30-40 Patrol Craft
100+ Fighters


Now of course the Commonwealth had slight over a million planets. Anyone have the exact number Rommie gave in Rose in the Ashes?

So figuring 1 million planets the Home Guard would have "around":

20,000,000 Cutters
30,000,000 Patrol Craft
100,000.000 Fighters