Siege Frigate sneak attack and Subversion vs Embargo question

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Is this still a viable tactic? Looking to get back into this over the winter break. Had some fun times sneaking in 15 or so siege frigates to my enemies' home planets while engaging their fleet on their border, but I haven't played since the big siege frigate nerf.

 

Also, it seems like Embargo is OP'ed compared to subversion. Like, massively so. A level 1 Embargo steals resources, increases frigate and structure build time 30%, and costs 85 antimatter. A level 1 Subversion DOESN'T steal resources, increases frigate and structure build time only 15%, and costs 100 antimatter. What's the reason for this?

 

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

Is this still a viable tactic? Looking to get back into this over the winter break. Had some fun times sneaking in 15 or so siege frigates to my enemies' home planets while engaging their fleet on their border, but I haven't played since the big siege frigate nerf.
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I hesitate to call it non-viable, because you can in fact knock out enemy worlds with it, but it is not as easy or cheap to do as it was in the early patches.  I have had people use it against me and sometimes they get a planet or two, but I usually kill all their siege frigates which is a pretty big cost to the attacker.  The other downside is that your main fleet will be a lot weaker since you are building siege frigates instead of combat ships.  I think there are effective siege frigate strategies still, but the days of suiciding siege frigates to kill planets are over unless the attacker has a much larger economy....in which case, they can kill someone anyway they feel like.  =)

 

I can't comment much on Subversion vs Embargo.  They are both rush tactics that I almost never use, so I haven't compared the latest version of Subversion.

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

15 siege frigates...

 

only 15? how modest of you.

 

I was thinking you culd add poledancer or two, whores and strippers and some fireworks and pyrotechnics!

 

and maybe parade a pink elephant in the middle of siege frigs while poledancers dance on top of it?

 

Comon, dont be modest, 15 siege frigs and all...

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

I make only seige frigates then complain when I lose. XO

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

I was thinking you culd add poledancer or two, whores and strippers and some fireworks and pyrotechnics!



and maybe parade a pink elephant in the middle of siege frigs while poledancers dance on top of it?
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Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

:'(

 

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Cykur, reply 1

Is this still a viable tactic? Looking to get back into this over the winter break. Had some fun times sneaking in 15 or so siege frigates to my enemies' home planets while engaging their fleet on their border, but I haven't played since the big siege frigate nerf.

I hesitate to call it non-viable, because you can in fact knock out enemy worlds with it, but it is not as easy or cheap to do as it was in the early patches.  I have had people use it against me and sometimes they get a planet or two, but I usually kill all their siege frigates which is a pretty big cost to the attacker.  The other downside is that your main fleet will be a lot weaker since you are building siege frigates instead of combat ships.  I think there are effective siege frigate strategies still, but the days of suiciding siege frigates to kill planets are over unless the attacker has a much larger economy....in which case, they can kill someone anyway they feel like. 

 

I can't comment much on Subversion vs Embargo.  They are both rush tactics that I almost never use, so I haven't compared the latest version of Subversion.
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I don't think I ever actually sent 15. I sent about 8-10.

I'm sorry to hear that, though. It was a bit cheap, but the real problem was that siege frigates could get past border worlds too easily even if they were well-defended, not that the frigates were overpowered. What was needed was better border control, not a nerf to the siege frigates. Devs, are you listening? I really hope you're listening.

 

Also, please consider buffing Subversion. The difference between the two skills is just stupid. Embargo is WAY better in EVERY WAY. Maybe give Subversion a twist to make it different, because right now they are the same except that one is much better. Subversion could dramatically increase build times while Embargo steals their $$ and decreases their income, or Subversion could make ships be built much slower or with half health, or something.

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

Shure, embago is beter, but its the only ability sova is good for,

 

And even it is "good" at lvl 3 now, after nerf.

 

Marauder got so many other useful skills, that sova is realy meh when compared.

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

Hmmm. Perhaps I will try the Desolator for early hit-and-runs of planets, then.

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting psyck0, reply 8
Hmmm. Perhaps I will try the Desolator for early hit-and-runs of planets, then.
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The desolator only becomes a truly deadly planet-killer when levelled-up so rushing with it might not work. The desolator is also slow so you can't hit-and-run with it. Thats what the Maruader is for.

 

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

A nice trick in entrenchement goes as follows:

Get a kostura canon and a phase stabilizer(makes phase stabilizer out of planet it is shot at) shoot it at the enemy world you want too take out and jump there with a bunch of siege firgs and a lvl6 marauder. Then all that is left too do is taking out the planet activating stabilizer phase and distort gravity(if you want too get out even faster) and jump back too safty.

This way you don't need too cross any heavily guarded borders and deepstrike in enemy territory.

On the sova vs marauder issue... Subversion stays if the marauder leaves the gravity well and it also a sensor so you can keep checking the enemy planets without ships in it's grav well. As far as I know(not a tec player) the sova needs too remain in the grav well.

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