Disappointed in the seemingly unbalanced game.

Well when I founding TPM2008 was out, I went and got it because the first one was balanced. Then to my shock there is very much bias towards Republicans. Seriously what is with Lord Kona? Then the other fact of Thomas Jefferson being a democrat.

Now let me ask you could you truly call Thomas Jefferson a democat? No. He was a liberal or as we call that today a classic liberal. Now look up classic liberalism, the first thing you have to see to say that it is not anything like a democrat is that it is called laissez-faire liberalism too. It also says that it stresses individual freedom and limited government, but the Democratic party is a collectivist party, which collectivism is against indivudalism and its a big government ideology. Now I wouldn't call him Republican, because theres no way we know that he would be one, but I will say this, he is not a Democrat.
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Re: Thomas Jefferson, Democrat.

The set up of the game is a two-party structure. For candidates that predate the modern political system, this leads to situations like Jefferson being a "Democrat" and Washington being a "Republican."

Although I agree that Jefferson and Washington's views aren't accurately reflected in modern political parties, they still have to be assigned A party. And putting one founding father in the Republicans and another in the Democrats is good game balance.

TPM is not a simulation, its a GAME.

and re: Lord Kona? I haven't tried him yet, but I think he's funny. I want to try and win with him!

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WWW Link

Maybe you should learn a little history before you post. Jesus.

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Maxpower, I love you can go on wikipedia and say that. The problem is wikipedia is edited by a bunch of monkeys who don't know anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29

Look at ideology, CLASSICAL LIBERALISM.
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It IS true that Jefferson's political party evolved into the modern Democratic Party. It changed names a few times, but is the exact same party.

And while the Republican party has only existed since just before the Civil War, it was the heir to the Whig party, which was the heir to the Federalist Party. (if I remember the name properly)

So that leaves Washington as the only one who can't easily be assigned a party, but his views were in line with the Federalists at the time and are closer to modern Republicans than Democrats, so I'd say he fits best with the Republicans.
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The Federalists wished for a stronger federal government, giving power to the big populated cities with greater power in the election process. This overwhelmingly favored wealthy bankers and such that lived in the Northern states. The Republicans wished for a small government, so that government could not be used to exert the majority opinions of northern politicians on the minority farmer citizens through federal law.

Now, Republicans want a smaller government to leave people alone and let people with money keep it. Democrats, meanwhile, like a huge government to deploy a safety net for those that are less fortunate in our society and to bring "equality" to everyone. This is why the small govt Republican Thomas Jefferson is a large govt Democrat in this game. The theory adapts, but the sentiment remains.
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Um, no. Republicans and democrats today BOTH want large government even if they say otherwise. A few CONSERVATIVES who happen to be Republicans want small government, but they are in the minority, even in their own party.
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While its true that Jefferson publically supported a smaller government, much of what we call big government came from the Jefferson amdministration. Jefferson comes from the Democrat-Republican party which is the forerunner of the Jacksonian Democratic party that continues today. The parties change along with the political climates. The party of Lincoln was founded from the ashes of the Whig party which is sort of descended from the Federalist party. The Republican party was founded on its opposition to slavery. This continued on until the unholy pact which placed Rutherford Hayes in the White House and ended any reform in the south. While the Republicans continued to officially oppose the abuses against blacks in the south, they really only paid lip service to the issue. Republicans returned to their backing of corporate America with The issue of civil rights really didn't have a place in national politics until the time of Truman and was a major reason for his unpopularity. So by the time of Nixon many of those against civil rights had switched over to the Republican party as part of his Southern strategy.