Your target may have died before Cleansing Brilliance was able to fire.

Cleansing Brilliance fires from the bow of the Radiance, but the Radiance must be facing almost directly at it's target. So if the Radiance has to turn (which it does quite slow) there's a chance that by the time you click a unit in the LRM blob and by the time it finishes turning, something killed the original target, so the Radiance didn't fire.

Tips in general on Cleansing Brilliance...

Without Shield Mitigation it does 2,000 damage, so aiming it at a relatively low hitpoint target like a Javelis LRM will often result in the target dying before the beam is fully spent, which isn't ideal. Although affected by Shield Mitigation and occurring over time (which often results in the target maxing out it's mitigation over the course of the attack and Cleansing Brilliance doing significantly less than it's 2,000 'on paper' damage) it's generally preferable to try to hit a high hitpoint target, something with at least a good 1,500 hitpoints or so. Aim it at the center (and if possible towards the back) of an enemy group, it will do damage to any enemies unfortunate enough to get in it's way. If you have a Progenitor Mothership, cast Malice just before the Cleansing Brilliance strike, the damage does propagate, done right and with luck it's probably the single most potent Advent combination.

Well GE has just never beat Clan X.. Or nor has anyone. Getting off that Malice+Brilliance solidified the win is all, they would of won anyways surely.

Yeah Malice+Brilliance is incredibly powerful do not just to the 2k damage spread 24%, but because the damage keeps overlapping because of Brilliance AOE. You have multiple targets taking the splash damage from brilliance,e spreading the damage all over.

Brilliance isn't overpowered by itself.. but it is with Malice.
When Brilliance is used against you, you just move the target away from the group so only that target takes most of the damage, and it isn't AoE'd all over. But when used with Malcie even if someone did that, and you didn't aoe anything at all, it's still 2k damage to that target and 500 damage to everything else before mitigation.

1. Well, I would not dare make such a statement concerning HuntingX ! You are perhaps in a better position than me to judge.

2. That, also, was my (very non-expert) perception of the game, based on the replay (see link in post #2).

I did not see that the clan [GE] team was beaten, but perhaps, as Innociv suggested (post #3), the Malice/Brilliance combo signaled that pushing on would have been a tedious waste of time and effort.

3. I do not understand what you mean by "official position". If [GE] called "gg" and resigned from the game, was that not an acknowledgment of defeat ?


Thanks to the three of you for taking the time to post your comments. My SP games against "hard" comps are getting better because I study the replays and comments posted by the best MP sinners.

OK, Ron, I see what you mean.

You MP heavy-weights sure have complicated relationships !

Cleansing Brilliance is a beast...just wanted to put that out there.

Bah we need to stop giving tips to people, teaching people how to play, and educating people about strategy, especially other clans.


Good thing people often just tell us we're wrong and argue with what we know to be right.

Play me 1v1, or me and eets 2v2 if you want a real game. Though as of now, I really feel advent to be too powerful. Flak doesn't counter Illums well enough to justify them anymore. Which means the only counter is carriers, which only counter pure Illums, 1-5 flak/illum ratio beats carriers easy.

I just went through a game earlier tonight, making nothing but illums to see how effective it is post 1.04, and I must say. I was floored. If you thought LRM spam was bad before, watch out .

Brill/malice however is pointless to fight without a massive fleet size difference so you can simply tie him down with spread out ships and kill off all his labs/planets. We would have won if not for that combination, which I've expressed I personally feel to be overpowered. But I don't mind, the game was for fun, I don't even know why it was posted. Short of using flak to try and counter illums (which again, no longer works) as you would pre patch and not being aggressive enough, my teammates played well as did X. They want a real game like I said, it'll be against me, or me and eets, otherwise it'll be just for fun.

Part of the strategy is pooling over three fleets btw for people wondering why he never got one of his own.

Anyway, it seems you have the idea for how to use brilliance, sorry for derailing your thread, just have to correct supreme arrogance when I see it.

@ HAESO :

You may "derail [my] thread" as much as you want !

I originally wanted tips on how to use the Radiance's CB ability, but since I then mentioned the clanX/clanGE game-for-fun (in my post #2), I did open the possibility (as the thread's OP) of derailing the thread into a discussion of that replay.

Consequently, no problem : as the OP, I'm quite happy with the derailment, since I really wanted to understand why X's use of Malice/CB (at the light blue planet) provoked the end of the game -- even though, in my non-expert perception, I did not understand why [GE] was resigning so early.

Even though, in Haeso's words, the replay of a just-for-fun game should perhaps not have been posted, I found it very educative to watch, and the commentaries, on this thread, have been very enlightening.

At the moment, I only play SP against hard comps. I first spam Disciples, then tech-up fast towards Illuminators, which I then spam. Like Haeso states, in post #13, Illuminators can be OP. I do not enjoy beating-up the comps with such spams.


@ ALL > Derail "my" thread at will !   

You are possibly correct.

It's the impression I got from Haeso's post #13, even though he did not use those precise words.

It was my deductive interpretation of what I believed he seemed to imply concerning the Advent, as a corollary, when he declared :

"Though as of now, I really feel advent to be too powerful. [...] I just went through a game earlier tonight, making nothing but illums to see how effective it is post 1.04, and I must say. I was floored. If you thought LRM spam was bad before, watch out" (Haeso)

I have no ICO experience (not counting my 9 hours in February with other newbies). Consequently, I have to rely on the confrontation of the opinions of experienced MP gamers (such as Haeso, innociv, HuntingX, JinxOfSin, Astax, etc.).

Since the release of 1.04, I do have a lot of success spam-rushing Illuminators against "hard" comps. That, also, has influenced my "Illuminators can be OP" declaration.

I certainly will be scrutinizing, on the forum, any on-going (1.04) debate concerning Illuminators.

(We are not close to my thread's OP on Cleansing Brilliance, but I really enjoy the derailment.)

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