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ship spammers-A Guide to Fighting Back

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You all know them, and you all hate them.  You call them ship spammers.   For most of you that word probably has a meaning.  But let me explain it to those of you who have never had a game ruined by a spammer.  A ship spammer is someone who build a crapload of one type of ship (such as 150 LRMs) and attacks.  I am writing this fresh from a particularly stinging defeat at the hands of a ship spammer.  It is important to know that these people CAN be beaten, and playing a game with a ship spammer is not the end of the world.

All ship spammers are n00bs, they spam because they know that they will not win any other way.  Often, it is easy to make a ship spammer stop spamming simply by telling them that they suck and won't amount to anything.

If that doesn't work it's time to go to Plan B.  The whole idea of spamming is to start building ships (the most popular one is the torpedo frigate or it's equivalent), as soon as possible.  Therefore, spammers will sometimes not even bother to colonize other worlds.  They will build 2 research facilities, research torpedo frigates, and start building.  Often times, they will build between 3-4 more frigate facilities to speed up the process.  Their greatest weakness is that they spend ALL of their money building ships, so while you're going out there and colonizing worlds, they're sitting in their one little world building more ships.  This means that often times when a spammer attacks you, the best strategy is to simply attack his world.  They never have more that 3.  Spammers send ALL of their ships in for an assualt, leaving none behind for defense.  Go around his fleet and attack.  Just bomb his planets and he's done.

If that doesn't work, you have to give them a taste of their own medicine.  Spam a ship one level above his.  If he's spamming light frigates, build torpedo, if he's building torpedo, build flak, and so on.  When that's done, there will be nothing left of him, and you can walk all over him.

Please make replies on the Ideas for v1.03 post and tell them that there needs to be a unit cap for individual types of units.

Get admins and hosts of servers to boot spammers and let them know that their n00bey ways are not appreciated.

Beating a spammer is actually easy if you know what to do.

Good luck!

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Reply #176 from Sins Forums Top

-.- Are you serious? Are you really that stupid? The United States has taken the role of the "world police", we give our mens lives for others to be free... and you say we are there for oil? For the record, not only does the US have reserve oil, but also many untapped oil in -our- ground. If this was really for oil? Would we reallly still be there? No, we would of taken it and left... did we leave? No. If it was seriously over oil we would of simply stopped when it got rough and spend that 2 trillion on -oil-! Or energy... did we? No. We spend it on helping another country's people be able to have what we have, freedom. So before you start looking more like a idiot, perhaps do your research, or tell that to a family who's boy is there now helping them. I'd bet you get punched for being a complete >.< Fool.
Pew! Now that I am done with yellin' at him. IRM spams really blow >.< Though to be honest the best way to counter it is do one of your own. It isnt noobish, completely, because you should onl be doing it to simply counter theres. Late game you pull out your non-IRMs fleets and watch them whimper cause they dont know anything else.
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I agree with you totally and completely. However, I think yours was at least an unwise post because a) if anyone else responds to this, you might well end up getting flamed, and b) this isn't what the post is about, and I very much doubt you're going to change anyone's mind about it, especially on a forum like this...

Woe is me for perpetuating a dead thread!

Reply #177 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Sibilantae, reply 1
-.- Are you serious? Are you really that stupid? The United States has taken the role of the "world police", we give our mens lives for others to be free... and you say we are there for oil? For the record, not only does the US have reserve oil, but also many untapped oil in -our- ground. If this was really for oil? Would we reallly still be there? No, we would of taken it and left... did we leave? No. If it was seriously over oil we would of simply stopped when it got rough and spend that 2 trillion on -oil-! Or energy... did we? No. We spend it on helping another country's people be able to have what we have, freedom. So before you start looking more like a idiot, perhaps do your research, or tell that to a family who's boy is there now helping them. I'd bet you get punched for being a complete >.< Fool.Pew! Now that I am done with yellin' at him. IRM spams really blow >.< Though to be honest the best way to counter it is do one of your own. It isnt noobish, completely, because you should onl be doing it to simply counter theres. Late game you pull out your non-IRMs fleets and watch them whimper cause they dont know anything else.I agree with you totally and completely. However, I think yours was at least an unwise post because a) if anyone else responds to this, you might well end up getting flamed, and this isn't what the post is about, and I very much doubt you're going to change anyone's mind about it, especially on a forum like this...Woe is me for perpetuating a dead thread!
End of Sibilantae's quote

Heh, no doubt >.< but the moment someone talks crap about something they lack to understand... it gets to me! And when its my country!

:P For the record, I did include my opinion on LRM rushes! So hah!

Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #178 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Maverick00053, reply 2
Quoting Sibilantae, reply 1-.- Are you serious? Are you really that stupid? The United States has taken the role of the "world police", we give our mens lives for others to be free... and you say we are there for oil? For the record, not only does the US have reserve oil, but also many untapped oil in -our- ground. If this was really for oil? Would we reallly still be there? No, we would of taken it and left... did we leave? No. If it was seriously over oil we would of simply stopped when it got rough and spend that 2 trillion on -oil-! Or energy... did we? No. We spend it on helping another country's people be able to have what we have, freedom. So before you start looking more like a idiot, perhaps do your research, or tell that to a family who's boy is there now helping them. I'd bet you get punched for being a complete >.< Fool.Pew! Now that I am done with yellin' at him. IRM spams really blow >.< Though to be honest the best way to counter it is do one of your own. It isnt noobish, completely, because you should onl be doing it to simply counter theres. Late game you pull out your non-IRMs fleets and watch them whimper cause they dont know anything else.I agree with you totally and completely. However, I think yours was at least an unwise post because a) if anyone else responds to this, you might well end up getting flamed, and this isn't what the post is about, and I very much doubt you're going to change anyone's mind about it, especially on a forum like this...Woe is me for perpetuating a dead thread!Heh, no doubt >.< but the moment someone talks crap about something they lack to understand... it gets to me! And when its my country! For the record, I did include my opinion on LRM rushes! So hah!
End of Maverick00053's quote

Oh god , the temptation to reply..!

Reply #181 from Sins Forums Top

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Quoting kublikhan, reply 24
A few comments on this article: http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

I agree with alot of what was written there. But I lean more towards FrogBoy's comments. The article seems to dismiss the entire "fun" idea as a crutch of the scrub. But I think the "win at any cost" crowd would be best paired with another "win at any cost" player. And the "I just want to have some fun" crowd should be paired with another "I just want to have some fun" player. It is often not much fun for either side when these two crowds cross paths. Not sure what the best solution would be. But one of the current methods of IRC arranged games that are password protected seems like a good idea to me. It's not very fun when these elite players host random games to stomp a bunch of casual fun players though(perhaps these games should include a disclaimer: I am lord of sins, enter at your peril .

That being said, I don't like people whining about one strat or another. If you are trying to be competitive at this game(or any game), you have the wrong attitude. If your strategy is inferior to your opponents, learn how to counter it. Don't cry for unit caps and the like.

Just to relate a story from my own personal experience. Back in the day, I joined my first online game of doom2. I played numerous games against my brother, but was not at the same level as these online players I was up against. The favorite(and to a large extend only) weapon used at the time was the double barrel shotgun. These 1-d players where experts at dancing around you and pelting you with the awesome close range firepower of the double barrel. I tried to match what they were doing but could not compete with these seasoned players on their home terf. So I tried using a different weapon, the BFG. My opponent was fragged over and over again to the point where he called the BFG "cheap" and asked me to stop using it. Fine, I didn't want to upset the guy so I switched to the plasma gun. Same thing, fragged him over and over. Now all energy weapons were "cheap" so I needed to pick a non-energy weapon. This guy was getting annoying, but I decided to switch to the rocket launcher. More frags, more calls of cheapness. Next up was the chaingun. After losing to me against every single weapon except a double barrel, he got frustrated and left. Don't be afraid of a 1-d player whos pet strategy overpowered you the first few times you met it. Odds are they won't be able to compete at a real level once you learn how to stop their pet strat.
End of kublikhan's quote

"Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change"
Milton Friedman

A popular phrase we use in Europe, 'Americans the most entertained and least informed'. Average Americans know more about Britney Bears and American Idol than they do about the constitution and how the current political system (oligarchy) works. A system that 'assumes' that some people are smarter than others and should lead is the definition of oligarchy. Change come from the bottom, not the top. You can't be ignorant and free. If Americans are dumb enough to vote another Bush clone like John Mc Insane into power, god help US because it'll become the most hated country in the world without many Allies left. People dont hate US because they are 'free' but because it's a country infested by hypocrisy, ignorance, corporate greed and imperialism. Wake up or US will be left behind as the country go into the worst economic depression since 1933. In latin America alone there are a very real revolution going on that are related to US corporate imperialism and economic hitmens.

So what happen? Why are Americans so dumb to what goes on in the world?

Contrary to polular belief in US the news media has worse coverage than ever before and really makes you dumb not smarter. The US news media are so pathetic that Americans now has to seek outside US to get fair news coverage. In US the right to use public airwaves was mandated to provide news coverage even at an economic loss. This law ended in 1987, which permitted corporate media cut back their news divisions and their responsibility to serve public interest.

Goodbye to investigative journalism and fair reporting. Hello to misinformation and cheap entertainment. Misinformation undermines democracy and why you need a good news media and investigative journalism. News should be news, free and independent from corporate or other special interest groups. Not 'Disney News' or 'Rupert Murdoch News'. Today journalists in the corporate news media face a dilemma because they can't both serve corporate interest and public interest at the same time.

I strongly encourage every American to stop using corporate news media until major media reforms are in the place and start seeking independent news outside US and re-educate yourself. If not, it'll be your children that will pay the price for your ignorance. Are you ready for economic collapse? Americans are less prepared than the Soviets were. It's only a matter of time before Americans will see the true horrors of hyper-inflation. Like the shock doctrine, I guess sometimes bad things need to happen before monetary reforms can occur.

A small reading list to get started.  In US, http://www.democracynow.org with Amy Goodman has alot of news coverage that you'll never see in the corporate media. I garanteen if any American start using independent news media it'll open your eyes but be prepared for one hell of a journey. It's a horror story. But the truth will set Americans free in the end and restore the republic to be ruled by the people once again and not another oligarchy/global elite. This is a class war, the sooner Americans realize this and start fighting back the safer you and future generations will be.

Documentary:

Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve

Fiat Empire

Money As Debt

http://www.themoneymasters.com/

http://www.naomiklein.org (the shock doctrine)

Investigative journalism:

Web Of Debt (monetary policy)

http://www.johnpilger.com (one of the best investigate journalist in europe)

http://www.gregpalast.com/ (BBC journalist)

http://www.helenthomas.org/

http://www.democracynow.org

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/9/confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man (confessions of an Economic Hit Man)

Reply #183 from Sins Forums Top

(ignore first post, wrong quote)

Quoting Maverick00053, reply 25

Quoting Thelen SharSF, reply 23Intelligence gathering is the single most important part of any game or any war. I mean really if the US and Britians Intelligence actually told the US military hard facts about Iraq Chemical Weapons, then the US would not be in Iraq, with the occupation it is currently in (and billions in dollar in depth with a rising inflation in economy).Offtopic: Well that is if you believe all the propaganda... 'Sane' people recognise the US is there only to secure the oil, they couldn't give a flying **** whether Sadam had chemical weapons and used them on people, as long as the oil kept flowing...Oh, and the wars have cost about 2 trillion dollars (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/business/17leonhardt.html?_r=2 etc), enough to buy everyone in the USA a $5000 computer.
 

-.- Are you serious? Are you really that stupid? The United States has taken the role of the "world police", we give our mens lives for others to be free... and you say we are there for oil? For the record, not only does the US have reserve oil, but also many untapped oil in -our- ground. If this was really for oil? Would we reallly still be there? No, we would of taken it and left... did we leave? No. If it was seriously over oil we would of simply stopped when it got rough and spend that 2 trillion on -oil-! Or energy... did we? No. We spend it on helping another country's people be able to have what we have, freedom. So before you start looking more like a idiot, perhaps do your research, or tell that to a family who's boy is there now helping them. I'd bet you get punched for being a complete >.< Fool.

Pew! Now that I am done with yellin' at him. IRM spams really blow >.< Though to be honest the best way to counter it is do one of your own. It isnt noobish, completely, because you should onl be doing it to simply counter theres. Late game you pull out your non-IRMs fleets and watch them whimper cause they dont know anything else.
End of Maverick00053's quote

"Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change"
Milton Friedman

A popular phrase we use in Europe, 'Americans the most entertained and least informed'. Average Americans know more about Britney Bears and American Idol than they do about the constitution and how the current political system (oligarchy) works. A system that 'assumes' that some people are smarter than others and should lead is the definition of oligarchy. Change come from the bottom, not the top. You can't be ignorant and free. If Americans are dumb enough to vote another Bush clone like John Mc Insane into power, god help US because it'll become the most hated country in the world without many Allies left. People dont hate US because they are 'free' but because it's a country infested by hypocrisy, ignorance, corporate greed and imperialism. Wake up or US will be left behind as the country go into the worst economic depression since 1933. In latin America alone there are a very real revolution going on that are related to US corporate imperialism and economic hitmens.

So what happen? Why are Americans so dumb to what goes on in the world?

Contrary to polular belief in US the news media has worse coverage than ever before and really makes you dumb not smarter. The US news media are so pathetic that Americans now has to seek outside US to get fair news coverage. In US the right to use public airwaves was mandated to provide news coverage even at an economic loss. This law ended in 1987, which permitted corporate media cut back their news divisions and their responsibility to serve public interest.

Goodbye to investigative journalism and fair reporting. Hello to misinformation and cheap entertainment. Misinformation undermines democracy and why you need a good news media and investigative journalism. News should be news, free and independent from corporate or other special interest groups. Not 'Disney News' or 'Rupert Murdoch News'. Today journalists in the corporate news media face a dilemma because they can't both serve corporate interest and public interest at the same time.

I strongly encourage every American to stop using corporate news media until major media reforms are in the place and start seeking independent news outside US and re-educate yourself. If not, it'll be your children that will pay the price for your ignorance. Are you ready for economic collapse? Americans are less prepared than the Soviets were. It's only a matter of time before Americans will see the true horrors of hyper-inflation. Like the shock doctrine, I guess sometimes bad things need to happen before monetary reforms can occur.

A small reading list to get started.  In US, http://www.democracynow.org with Amy Goodman has alot of news coverage that you'll never see in the corporate media. I garanteen if any American start using independent news media it'll open your eyes but be prepared for one hell of a journey. It's a horror story. But the truth will set Americans free in the end and restore the republic to be ruled by the people once again and not another oligarchy/global elite. This is a class war, the sooner Americans realize this and start fighting back the safer you and future generations will be.

 

Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve

Fiat Empire

Money As Debt

http://www.themoneymasters.com/

http://www.naomiklein.org (the shock doctrine)

Investigative journalism:

http://www.webofdebt.com (monetary policy)

http://www.johnpilger.com (one of the best investigate journalist in europe)

http://www.gregpalast.com (BBC journalist)

http://www.helenthomas.org

http://www.democracynow.org

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/9/confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man (confessions of an Economic Hit Man)

Reply #184 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Avenger, reply 8
(ignore first post, wrong quote)




Quoting Maverick00053,
reply 25

Quoting Thelen SharSF, reply 23Intelligence gathering is the single most important part of any game or any war. I mean really if the US and Britians Intelligence actually told the US military hard facts about Iraq Chemical Weapons, then the US would not be in Iraq, with the occupation it is currently in (and billions in dollar in depth with a rising inflation in economy).Offtopic: Well that is if you believe all the propaganda... 'Sane' people recognise the US is there only to secure the oil, they couldn't give a flying **** whether Sadam had chemical weapons and used them on people, as long as the oil kept flowing...Oh, and the wars have cost about 2 trillion dollars (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/business/17leonhardt.html?_r=2 etc), enough to buy everyone in the USA a $5000 computer.
 

-.- Are you serious? Are you really that stupid? The United States has taken the role of the "world police", we give our mens lives for others to be free... and you say we are there for oil? For the record, not only does the US have reserve oil, but also many untapped oil in -our- ground. If this was really for oil? Would we reallly still be there? No, we would of taken it and left... did we leave? No. If it was seriously over oil we would of simply stopped when it got rough and spend that 2 trillion on -oil-! Or energy... did we? No. We spend it on helping another country's people be able to have what we have, freedom. So before you start looking more like a idiot, perhaps do your research, or tell that to a family who's boy is there now helping them. I'd bet you get punched for being a complete >.< Fool.

Pew! Now that I am done with yellin' at him. IRM spams really blow >.< Though to be honest the best way to counter it is do one of your own. It isnt noobish, completely, because you should onl be doing it to simply counter theres. Late game you pull out your non-IRMs fleets and watch them whimper cause they dont know anything else.


"Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change"
Milton Friedman

A popular phrase we use in Europe, 'Americans the most entertained and least informed'. Average Americans know more about Britney Bears and American Idol than they do about the constitution and how the current political system (oligarchy) works. A system that 'assumes' that some people are smarter than others and should lead is the definition of oligarchy. Change come from the bottom, not the top. You can't be ignorant and free. If Americans are dumb enough to vote another Bush clone like John Mc Insane into power, god help US because it'll become the most hated country in the world without many Allies left. People dont hate US because they are 'free' but because it's a country infested by hypocrisy, ignorance, corporate greed and imperialism. Wake up or US will be left behind as the country go into the worst economic depression since 1933. In latin America alone there are a very real revolution going on that are related to US corporate imperialism and economic hitmens.

So what happen? Why are Americans so dumb to what goes on in the world?

Contrary to polular belief in US the news media has worse coverage than ever before and really makes you dumb not smarter. The US news media are so pathetic that Americans now has to seek outside US to get fair news coverage. In US the right to use public airwaves was mandated to provide news coverage even at an economic loss. This law ended in 1987, which permitted corporate media cut back their news divisions and their responsibility to serve public interest.

Goodbye to investigative journalism and fair reporting. Hello to misinformation and cheap entertainment. Misinformation undermines democracy and why you need a good news media and investigative journalism. News should be news, free and independent from corporate or other special interest groups. Not 'Disney News' or 'Rupert Murdoch News'. Today journalists in the corporate news media face a dilemma because they can't both serve corporate interest and public interest at the same time.

I strongly encourage every American to stop using corporate news media until major media reforms are in the place and start seeking independent news outside US and re-educate yourself. If not, it'll be your children that will pay the price for your ignorance. Are you ready for economic collapse? Americans are less prepared than the Soviets were. It's only a matter of time before Americans will see the true horrors of hyper-inflation. Like the shock doctrine, I guess sometimes bad things need to happen before monetary reforms can occur.

A small reading list to get started.  In US, http://www.democracynow.org with Amy Goodman has alot of news coverage that you'll never see in the corporate media. I garanteen if any American start using independent news media it'll open your eyes but be prepared for one hell of a journey. It's a horror story. But the truth will set Americans free in the end and restore the republic to be ruled by the people once again and not another oligarchy/global elite. This is a class war, the sooner Americans realize this and start fighting back the safer you and future generations will be.

 

Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve

Fiat Empire

Money As Debt

http://www.themoneymasters.com/

http://www.naomiklein.org (the shock doctrine)

Investigative journalism:

http://www.webofdebt.com (monetary policy)

http://www.johnpilger.com (one of the best investigate journalist in europe)

http://www.gregpalast.com (BBC journalist)

http://www.helenthomas.org

http://www.democracynow.org

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/9/confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man (confessions of an Economic Hit Man)
End of Avenger's quote

 

Sadly its true... if you want to learn anything you have to look it up yourself and cannot rely on the news. You need to find it out yourself. The US hasnt taken a single ounch of oil from Iraq.

Like he said, the hard truth is most people are complete idiots, USA or otherwise. Bush insane? Eh... your the ill informed now. Ever heard of islam? The United States is the only country with enough power and balls for that matter to do something about the middle east, and their religious nut cases. The only reason -they- hate us so much, is because they know we are the only ones that will stand up to them or even do something about it. If you knew, they are expanding their cause each and every single year. They want in ten years to have control over the whole world >.< But do you see any of the european countries doing anything about it? A British judge just passed that some islam laws would apply there.

 Iraq, not only had the ability to make weapons of mass destruction and had them at the time of the Gulf War but also were allowing the training of the religious nut-cases who cause terror and problems throughout Africa and the rest of the world.

 I do give you that most Americans are ill-informed, which does need to change, since now a days its more about ratings or pleasing hte masses. Also about "Mc Insane" as you put him, I rather have him not only cause he will have the balls to defend us and do something about it but also he isn't pushing the people of the united states to be more relient on the Government... which is WRONG! Most people here want the Government to do it all, yet most Americans forget what our Government was founded upon.

Last thing is he is completely right on we need to change >.< 9 trillion dollars in debt and we pay -0- of it off each year. Congress needs a pick in the arse badly. We pay like 400+ billion dollars in interest alone on our debt.

 

Reply #185 from Sins Forums Top

I also forgot! >.<! Every form of news is from someones point of view, everything is prejudice. So even European news is from their point of views on the wars, and most lack any understanding of why we do what we do or even understand the real threats in this world.

Reply #186 from Sins Forums Top

Getting back to gaming and off the Team America tripe, theses are some of the best posts I have read from a noobs perspective. I have learned so much about the game and been given so much food for thought. Thanks to all for contributing  

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