have fun, it's just a pop song

Ha ha ha ha these were my thoughts exactly, Sean. Wonderful explanation.

hahahaha you two.......it's just a song?

I'm thinkin right now of Satan saying to Eve.......what's it gonna hurt anyway? Go ahead, enjoy yourself. Knock yourself out. It's just a piece of fruit.

And thank goodness they partook, so that we could exist.

god understands if you like a song with mad hooks.

sean and them are right, it's okay to have fun. i don't think god is a nazi.
at least i hope not. 

remember, god created hooks. and also, everything else.

Satan took the YMCA AND a hit song about it and used them for evil. Why should we perpetuate evil?

I'm surprised you didn't know it as well, KFC. This really isn't news.

Here's one that will have you having less fun. Are you aware that "We Are The Champions" is considered the Gay national anthem? Kinda ironic when a bunch of macho ballplayers play it at their ballgames, doncha think?

Yeah...that it shouldn't be called "The Chicken Dance". The song is ACTUALLY "Le Danse des Canards", a French song, and even has lyrics to it. Canards are DUCKS, NOT CHICKENS! But apparently polka people didn't realize this, and it has been known as "the Chicken Dance", and people like me still get bugged by our useless trivial knowledge of the facts (sigh!)

Why? Just because a group - a non hate group at that - takes a song that was meant for listening enjoyment for their anthem does not mean the rest of us cannot still listen to it in the vein it was originally intended. (Hate groups do tend to put a sour taste in ones mind when they do co-op a song or statement).

How about Allouette? It is also a french song. About Picking a bird apart! It would be a crowning irony if PETA were to use that as an anthem song!

Are you aware of who WROTE it, Dr. Guy? Freddy Mercury, a pretty flaming homo! That's why it has become what it has. Truly, if it offends a person that "YMCA" was written about homosexual behaviour, then "We are the Champions" ought to offend just as bad.

Personally, "YMCA" offends me because it's just, well, annoying.

Honestly, the fact that for thirty years it has been very widely known.

As Christians, we are to be "in the world, but not of the world", as you well know. I would say that three decades of cluelessness about such a significant piece of pop culture would have me questioning whether I was truly being in the world enough to be aware of trends that involve people around me. I'm not so puzzled that you were shocked, KFC, but that everyone else in the room was. It's bewildering that there would be that many people so completely shut off from the world.

So? Liberace played some of the best Piano solos the world has ever heard. Elton JOhn wrote some of the best songs ever. Neither was making "a statement", just creating music for the world to love. I dont see why we have to now reserve the word Gay because a segment of the population decided that was the term they were going to use to describe themselves - outside of the origin of the word.

if Freddy Mercury wants to tell us, through whatever medium he chooses, that the song was meant as a gay Anthem, then we can believe him. But that is not going to detract from what the song says (nothing about sexuality), or how the rest of us hear it.

Not all "Straights" are writing only heterosexual anthems, and not all "gays" are writing only homosexual anthems.

(sigh) You're TOTALLY missing my point, Dr. Guy. My point was, anyone offended that BADLY by YMCA should be offended by "We Are the Champions".

Are YOU offended by "YMCA", Dr. Guy? Do YOU see people dancing around making stupid letters with their bodies as morally equivalent to eating the forbidden fruit? I didn't think so. My point was (and is) that someone who does would be equally outraged by We Are the Champions!

I really didn't intend to get into a lengthy debate about this. It certainly was not how I envisioned spending mmy Tuesday morning!

My sense of taste is greatly offended by the song, but then most Eminem songs do that to me as well. (if you can even call them songs).

However, what I got from the discussion was that YMCA was written for the Gay community (it may or may not have been, and I frankly dont care). We are the Champions was not (the only similarity is that both were performed by Gay Artists). So I do not see how being offended by a song that alludes to gay behavior is the same as a song that was not. That is my point.

Whether someone wants to get offended by gay themed songs, or by songs performed by gays I see as 2 separate issues.

LW: You're on a roll on this thread chicka. I love ya sis!

First off, I have to say, I'm not "outraged" nor am I offended so much as I'm just very surprised to find out what we found out....we just had no idea. Now, knowing what I do know I would reject the song because of what it stands for. It's a celebration that I'm not a part of nor do I want to encourage. So I will refrain.

I'm not so puzzled that you were shocked, KFC, but that everyone else in the room was. It's bewildering that there would be that many people so completely shut off from the world.

Well these people were from all walks and backgrounds. Some here have admitted they didn't know. For one thing we're probably not that tuned in to the entertainment industry enough to know the background of songwriting.

I had no idea either about the "We Are the Champions" is the homosexual anthem. Had no idea. I mean if they just take a song for their own, I also believe it's different than purposely deceiving the public (that's how I took the YMCA revelation) with their little hidden messages. I mean they also took the rainbow as their symbol and that doesn't shake my belief that God furnished the rainbow for all of us as a symbol of his covenant that he would never destroy the earth by flood again. Everytime I see a rainbow I don't think "gay" but I think "God."

So I suppose that gives me two options:

1. I can continue to have fun and listen to songs written specificially to the gay community and ignore the real meaning behind it for the sake of a good song, making it be what I believe it to be.
2. I can choose to reject yet another way for them to pull us into their world.

I choose #2.

I can't get this stupid song out of my head

hahahahah me either and now.......thanks to Gid.......I've got another tune to toss around......anymore you want to tell me about? I already know about Puff the Magic Dragon and Stairway to Heaven.

Number 2 for me too.

It's interesting to compare the song lyrics then which we are learning via this discussion that some can listen to in my case for years and not hear any hidden meaning with some of today's music--whose lyrics are right out there--no confusion whatsoever about the meaning or its message. Some are very violent.

geeeez...lighten up you two...the singin along to that tune has NOTHING to do with the gay angle of it. that is ALL about just having fun with your friends. like the hokey pokey.

you are not endorsing anything by having a little fun at a social event with your loved ones. if anything, that diffuses any intent there may have been.

it's just a fun song for goodness sake.

Some scholars say that the "hokey pokey" is a euphemism song about sex.

Others say that it's making fun of the Eucharist.

There, did I ruin another one for you?

awwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhh SC.....now I can't even go roller skating anymore.......... Tell me it ain't so.

it's just a fun song for goodness sake.

but Sean....I understand your point....but now it'll go against my conscience ........when it gets to the part about

They have everything for young men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

and besides.....I know now. It's not going to be fun anymore.....I guess ignorance is really bliss isn't it?

But now......... I know better. Maybe it was a God thing...and he wanted me to know.....ya know? Sort of like the "talents" thing in scripture.....now what are you going to do with it. he says? .....bury it?

guys do hang out with other guys without bein gay ya know, lol.

guys do hang out with other guys without bein gay ya know, lol.

It's called golf.

I heard that the hokey pokey really IS what it's all about.

I don't know about Stairway to Heaven. Or Puff. Dude, it's a magic dragon. He lived by the sea. What's wrong with that? I'm sure it was WRITTEN about drugs, but you could take it literally... right?

It's called golf

hahahahahah AT THE Y?

I heard that the hokey pokey really IS what it's all about.

whew! I guess my rollar skating days are NOT over after all.

I'm sure it was WRITTEN about drugs,

that's what they say anyway.

and ring around the rosie.

not gay i know, but not really the fun loving kids tune i thought it was either. i guess it could also be considered evil, or at least poor taste. it makes light of a pretty nasty way to die.

i guess the point of that is that it really doesn't matter what the intentions of the village people were. its what you decide to take from the song. knowing your opinion on homsexuality, liking or singing a song isn't going to change the way you feel, or futher the cause of satan.

the bible is kinda the same way, doesn't really matter what people tell you it all means, its the message you personally get from the stories inside that matter.

hitler commisioned the volkswagon beetle. does that mean you can't catch a ride in one?

you can almost assume that you will hear, use, and/or enjoy something everyday that was invented, created, or concieved by someone who you may find distasteful. the tie you wore to church on sunday may have been designed by a wife beating drunk. a terrible low life, but one fantastic clothing designer. who knows.

now imagine cruising down the autobahn, in a rainbow colored vw beetle, and blasting ymca on the stereo, wearing that tie on the way to church. i wonder if they'd let you in? i feel dirty just thinking about it.

sorry, it's late and i feel like it's important that you like some stupid song. or at least that you don't stop liking it for any reason other than the actual musical merits of the song.

crazy.....

Putt Putt.