GRAPHICS FAILURE

please help me. I'm losing hair.

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Oh Man I am so frustrated with this crappy game so far. I have not been able to see the ship graphics since I bought the game earlier today, so for the last 7 hours I have been reading the horribly unorganized forums, and attempting to find out what to do.

SO
I have:
Updated all graphics drivers
Installed DX 9.0c
Updated to 1.2
Re-installed the game
updated to 1.2 again
seen that Beta 1.3 "MIGHT" fix my problem
installed SDC to get the beta
Clicked UPDATE on the stupid game listed
AND STILL it says I am running 1.2

If I was an angry person, I would have an ulcer right now, and I am quickly regertting the 40$ I just spent.

I need help and I need it soon.

Debug Message: Version v1.2 last updated on: Mon Jun 12 18:04:26 2006
Debug Message: *********DXDiag info follows.*********
System Info
Time: 8/30/2006, 01:21:53
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Machine Name: NOBODYUNO
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195) Service Pack 4
Languages: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
System Model: A7N8X-X
BIOS: Phoenix-Award BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+, ~2.1GHz
Physical Memory: 1536MB RAM
Page File: 219MB used, 1934MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINNT


Display Info
Display device 1:
Device Name: \\.\DISPLAY1
Card Name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip Type: GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC
Key Device: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0282&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Display Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Resolution: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9131
Driver Date: 6/1/2006 17:22:00
DirectX Acceleration Enabled: Yes



Sound info
Sound device 1:
Description: SB Live! Audio [D000]
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80611102&REV_07
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
Provider: Creative
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0252
Driver Date: 7/19/2002 11:47:52
Type: WDM
Other Drivers:
Acceleration Level: 3
Cap Flags: 0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0



Debug Message: *********END dxdiag info.*********
Debug Message: Entering WinMain
Debug Message: ******* Starting Game Shell *******
Debug Message: Preparing to change display settings.
Debug Message: Using multilsample setting: D3DMULTISAMPLE_NONMASKABLE
Debug Message: Game Resolution: 1024 x 768
Debug Message: Running in windowed mode.
Debug Message: HAL (sw vp): NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
Debug Message: D3DPRESENT_INTERVAL_IMMEDIATE
Debug Message: Refresh rate: 0
Debug Message: Bit Depth: 32 bit.
Debug Message: *********Checking D3DDevice Caps***********************
Debug Message: A full-color cursor is supported in hardware at high resolution modes.
Debug Message: Border size reported as 6 by 25
Debug Message: RGB in format 6:6:6, Masks reported as ff0000:ff00:ff
Debug Message: Now windowed.
Debug Message: Shell initialization complete
Debug Message: ***** Initializing Game *****
Debug Message: Timer Frequency is 0 369e99
Debug Message: Initializing sound card.
Debug Message: initailizing bink
Debug Message: No string tables in D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default/Data/*.str
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Movies\*.bik
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Movies\techs\*.bik
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Gfx\*.png
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Gfx\Race\*.png
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\sfx\*.wav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Music\*.mp3
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Event Music\*.mp3
Debug Message: Create setup screens.
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: * Collectors Edition *
Debug Message: Set mouse.
Debug Message: Set update timer.
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\*.xml
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\Techs\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\ShipComponents\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\ShipDefs\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask \\Webmonster\e$\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Gfx\Planets\C0*.png
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\PlanetImprovements\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\TerrainColorSchemes\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\PlanetDescriptions\*.xml
*DEBUG ERROR: ***Unable to find required tech ImpossibleTech for PirateShip. ***
*DEBUG ERROR: ***Unable to find required tech ImpossibleTech for Starbase. ***
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\Anomalies\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\Events\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\UPIssues\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\Invasions\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\PoliticalParties\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\StarTypes\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask D:\GalCiv2\Mods\Default\Data\StarbaseModules\*.xml
Debug Message: Reading Star Names
Debug Message: Reading Star Names... Done
Debug Message: No files found matching mask \\Webmonster\e$\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Logos\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask \\Webmonster\e$\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Metaverse\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask \\Webmonster\e$\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Mods\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask \\Webmonster\e$\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Portraits\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask \\Webmonster\e$\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask \\Webmonster\e$\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\temp\*.sav
Debug Message: Killing threads.
Debug Message: Kiling civs.
Debug Message: Killing ships.
Debug Message: Killing rallypoints.
Debug Message: Killing misc objects.
Debug Message: Killing stars.
Debug Message: Killing anomalies.
Debug Message: Killing space resources.
Debug Message: Killing colonies and planets.
Debug Message: killing scenario.
Debug Message: Clearing Turn Event Log
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: Loading Custom Map
Debug Message: Loading Data Defs
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: Loading TechDefs
Debug Message: Max num techs: 248
Debug Message: Loading ImprovementDB
Debug Message: Loading Component Defs
Debug Message: Loading ShipTypes
Debug Message: Loading ShipConfigs
Debug Message: Loading AnomalyTypes
Debug Message: Loading RandomEvents
Debug Message: Loading UPIssues
Debug Message: Loading ResourceTypes
Debug Message: Loading InvasionTactics
Debug Message: Loading SBmodules
Debug Message: Loading PoliticalParties
Debug Message: Loading Planet Types
Debug Message: Loading Star Types
Debug Message: Loading Game
Debug Message: Loading: Game mode is normal.
Debug Message: Loading Galaxy
Debug Message: Sectors across: 4 x 4
Debug Message: Loading FOW Map
Debug Message: Loading ZOC Map
Debug Message: Loading Planets
Debug Message: Loading Stars
Debug Message: Loading Anomalies
Debug Message: Loading Resources
Debug Message: Loading Civs
Debug Message: Loading Colonies
Debug Message: Loading RallyPoints
Debug Message: Loading Ships
Debug Message: Loading Fleets
Debug Message: Loading Turn Event Log
Debug Message: Loading ENDGALAXYDATA
Debug Message: Updating ZOC.
Debug Message: UIBeginGame called with g_ulLocalPlayerID = 10
Debug Message: UIBeginGameHelper: New Game Started
Debug Message: UIBeginGameHelper: Mods are Enabled
Debug Message: StackedShipsWnd: Cannot find OBJID Stacked_Logistics_Value
Debug Message: StackedShipsWnd: Cannot find OBJID stacked_Fleet_More_Button
Debug Message: TitleWnd: Quit Button.
Debug Message: Posting WM_CLOSE message.
Debug Message: WM_CLOSE message received.
Debug Message: GameUninitialize start
Debug Message: Killing Galaxy
Debug Message: Killing threads.
Debug Message: Kiling civs.
Debug Message: Killing ships.
Debug Message: Killing rallypoints.
Debug Message: Killing misc objects.
Debug Message: Killing stars.
Debug Message: Killing anomalies.
Debug Message: Killing space resources.
Debug Message: Killing colonies and planets.
Debug Message: killing scenario.
Debug Message: Clearing Turn Event Log
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: Killing Galaxy: Completed
Debug Message: WorkAreaBack.png not cleared 1 counts left.
Debug Message: GameUninitialize end
Debug Message: Device not cleared. 4 counts left.
Debug Message: D3D not cleared. 1 counts left.
Debug Message: Destroying Window.
Debug Message: Main Shell terminating normally

Of course now that i read this errorlog I think i see the problem how do i fix it?
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Reply #1 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I'm still working on this...I managed to lose a few errors, but this is really not what i expected from a game that i would purchase off the shelf for 40$.

Debug Message: Version v1.2 last updated on: Mon Jun 12 18:04:26 2006
Debug Message: *********DXDiag info follows.*********
System Info
Time: 8/30/2006, 02:46:13
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Machine Name: NOBODYUNO
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195) Service Pack 4
Languages: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
System Model: A7N8X-X
BIOS: Phoenix-Award BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+, ~2.1GHz
Physical Memory: 1536MB RAM
Page File: 214MB used, 1939MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINNT


Display Info
Display device 1:
Device Name: \\.\DISPLAY1
Card Name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip Type: GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC
Key Device: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0282&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Display Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Resolution: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9131
Driver Date: 6/1/2006 17:22:00
DirectX Acceleration Enabled: Yes



Sound info
Sound device 1:
Description: SB Live! Audio [D000]
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80611102&REV_07
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
Provider: Creative
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0252
Driver Date: 7/19/2002 11:47:52
Type: WDM
Other Drivers:
Acceleration Level: 3
Cap Flags: 0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0



Debug Message: *********END dxdiag info.*********
Debug Message: Entering WinMain
Debug Message: ******* Starting Game Shell *******
Debug Message: Preparing to change display settings.
Debug Message: Using multilsample setting: D3DMULTISAMPLE_NONMASKABLE
Debug Message: Game Resolution: 1024 x 768
Debug Message: Running in windowed mode.
Debug Message: HAL (sw vp): NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
Debug Message: D3DPRESENT_INTERVAL_IMMEDIATE
Debug Message: Refresh rate: 0
Debug Message: Bit Depth: 32 bit.
Debug Message: *********Checking D3DDevice Caps***********************
Debug Message: A full-color cursor is supported in hardware at high resolution modes.
Debug Message: Border size reported as 6 by 25
Debug Message: RGB in format 6:6:6, Masks reported as ff0000:ff00:ff
Debug Message: Now windowed.
Debug Message: Shell initialization complete
Debug Message: ***** Initializing Game *****
Debug Message: Timer Frequency is 0 369e99
Debug Message: Initializing sound card.
Debug Message: initailizing bink
Debug Message: Create setup screens.
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: * Collectors Edition *
Debug Message: Set mouse.
Debug Message: Set update timer.
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: No files found matching mask d:\My documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.xml
*DEBUG ERROR: ***Unable to find required tech ImpossibleTech for PirateShip. ***
*DEBUG ERROR: ***Unable to find required tech ImpossibleTech for Starbase. ***
Debug Message: Reading Star Names
Debug Message: Reading Star Names... Done
Debug Message: No files found matching mask d:\My documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Logos\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask d:\My documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Metaverse\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask d:\My documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Mods\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask d:\My documents\My Games\GalCiv2\Portraits\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask d:\My documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.sav
Debug Message: No files found matching mask d:\My documents\My Games\GalCiv2\temp\*.sav
Debug Message: Killing threads.
Debug Message: Kiling civs.
Debug Message: Killing ships.
Debug Message: Killing rallypoints.
Debug Message: Killing misc objects.
Debug Message: Killing stars.
Debug Message: Killing anomalies.
Debug Message: Killing space resources.
Debug Message: Killing colonies and planets.
Debug Message: killing scenario.
Debug Message: Clearing Turn Event Log
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: Loading Custom Map
Debug Message: Loading Data Defs
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: Loading TechDefs
Debug Message: Max num techs: 248
Debug Message: Loading ImprovementDB
Debug Message: Loading Component Defs
Debug Message: Loading ShipTypes
Debug Message: Loading ShipConfigs
Debug Message: Loading AnomalyTypes
Debug Message: Loading RandomEvents
Debug Message: Loading UPIssues
Debug Message: Loading ResourceTypes
Debug Message: Loading InvasionTactics
Debug Message: Loading SBmodules
Debug Message: Loading PoliticalParties
Debug Message: Loading Planet Types
Debug Message: Loading Star Types
Debug Message: Loading Game
Debug Message: Loading: Game mode is normal.
Debug Message: Loading Galaxy
Debug Message: Sectors across: 4 x 4
Debug Message: Loading FOW Map
Debug Message: Loading ZOC Map
Debug Message: Loading Planets
Debug Message: Loading Stars
Debug Message: Loading Anomalies
Debug Message: Loading Resources
Debug Message: Loading Civs
Debug Message: Loading Colonies
Debug Message: Loading RallyPoints
Debug Message: Loading Ships
Debug Message: Loading Fleets
Debug Message: Loading Turn Event Log
Debug Message: Loading ENDGALAXYDATA
Debug Message: Updating ZOC.
Debug Message: UIBeginGame called with g_ulLocalPlayerID = 10
Debug Message: UIBeginGameHelper: New Game Started
Debug Message: UIBeginGameHelper: Mods are Enabled
Debug Message: StackedShipsWnd: Cannot find OBJID Stacked_Logistics_Value
Debug Message: StackedShipsWnd: Cannot find OBJID stacked_Fleet_More_Button
Debug Message: OptionsWnd: Quit Btn
Debug Message: Posting WM_CLOSE message.
Debug Message: WM_CLOSE message received.
Debug Message: GameUninitialize start
Debug Message: Killing Galaxy
Debug Message: Killing threads.
Debug Message: Kiling civs.
Debug Message: Killing ships.
Debug Message: Killing rallypoints.
Debug Message: Killing misc objects.
Debug Message: Killing stars.
Debug Message: Killing anomalies.
Debug Message: Killing space resources.
Debug Message: Killing colonies and planets.
Debug Message: killing scenario.
Debug Message: Clearing Turn Event Log
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: Killing Galaxy: Completed
Debug Message: WorkAreaBack.png not cleared 1 counts left.
Debug Message: GameUninitialize end
Debug Message: Device not cleared. 4 counts left.
Debug Message: D3D not cleared. 1 counts left.
Debug Message: Destroying Window.
Debug Message: Main Shell terminating normally
Reply #2 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Clicked UPDATE on the stupid game listed


yes its the program not the user thats stupid.

Did you click the little check box "show pre-release versions" ohhh guess not click it and then you can download the beta. Its in the bottom left side. Cause the program is stupid....

oh and you also apperently didnt bother to check the MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS!

the game will run with a geforce 4400... under minimum settings... if your lucky...
search the forum for geforce 4 to answear your question.
Galactic Civilizations IV
Reply #3 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I have not been able to see the ship graphics since I bought the game earlier today


Do you mean to say it did work when you first installed it and it hasn't worked since, or that it never worked at all? And what exactly is not working about the ship graphics--are the textures missing (giving you flat-shaded models), or does it show icons instead of models, or something else? We need as specific a description of the problem as possible.

GeForce 4 MX and GeForce 4 Go are not supported and will yeild untextured ships, but GeForce 4 Ti's such as you have should work properly (albeit slowly) as far as I know.
Reply #4 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I am getting only Icons in the window, and no ship graphics, no planets no space stations, the only thing that looks like it is probably supposed to are the suns. When i first installed and ran it I had planet graphics with only icoins for the ships, but that was before I installed DX9.0c and the 1.2 patch. I found the button you were talking about and am downloading the patch currently.

re[the game will run with a geforce 4400... under minimum settings... if your lucky... ]

I'm Running a Geforce 4 Ti 4800...not a 4400
Reply #5 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
So what you're saying is that the game looks like this:



Instead of like this:



If that's what's happening, the solution is simple: zoom in. It's a special feature that when you zoom out the game switches to 'strategic mode' so you can still easily see what's going on when zoomed way out. If the game always looks like this regardless of zoom level, you probably inadvertantly adjusted the 'strategic zoom level' option in the menu (this slider changes what zoom level strategic mode kicks in at).
Reply #6 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Geforce 4 is an OLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd video card

here is a link to new CHEAP video cards:

VIDEO CARD PRICES">Link

I have a 6800 GT, and it STILL bugs down in framerate after mid game, and I have 2 Gb of ram with 2Gb of HD swapfile with a AMD XP 2600

You can see the 6600 are dirt CHEAP right now, if you got 70 bucks you can get 1 with shipping.

Ohh, and did you know your sound driver version is 4 and a half years old???

Here you have a link for the SB Live! drivers(Download the 23 Mb version, it comes with all the applications and sh-it)
SB Live! Drivers

Enjoy
Monc34
Reply #7 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
not really worried about my SB live version atm, as far as zooming in, no matter how far i zoom in there are no graphics for the ships. I did try that before. did you see the errors that I am getting...are those normal?

I can't find any known bug that explains why I am not seeing any ship graphix.

fyi mine looks like this
Reply #8 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
oh and FYI Geforce4 ti 4600 and 4800 were the most incredible vid cards when they came out, and I am satisfied with it especially since they run, WOW, CS source, and a slew of other NEW games that have high level graphics requirements. I'd pent this card against any Other AGP8x card any day.
Reply #9 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
not really worried about my SB live version atm, as far as zooming in, no matter how far i zoom in there are no graphics for the ships. I did try that before. did you see the errors that I am getting...are those normal?

I can't find any known bug that explains why I am not seeing any ship graphix.


The messages in your debug.err are completely normal. As I said in my post above, it's no bug--you're just stuck in strategic view. All you need to do is adjust the slider in the options:



You probably set it all the way to 0 without knowing what it did (the default is 25 IIRC). It determines which zoom level the display toggles at, so setting it to a level you are happy with. 0 makes it always strategic view, 100 makes it never strategic view.

Reply #10 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Yeah well, I got the GF4 Ti 4600 AGP and its sitting there in my 6800 GT's box, and I bought the GF3 ti 500 when it came out, so yes Ive had all the top of the line cards from nvidia up until now, and I would keep my 6800GT on my PC, unless we're liveing in the TWILIGHT ZONE, only then I'd change it for the 4600, or when I buy my new DX10 video card. Com on, you can get a very cheap video card for $70, and it probably runs 10 times faster than yours with more features and effects, your card isnt even Pixel Shader and vertex Shader 2.0 , if you play other games your really missing out, and they look a lot more beatiful than you can imagine, lets take FarCry for example, even the XBOX version' water is going to look better than with a GF4.

But I guess every1 has their own opinion their entitled to.

Oh yeah, and about the audio drivers, I just pointed out for the link , just helping yo out, but OK if you want to stay with those, kinda opposite Intuitivism.

Enjoy your game     
Monc34
Reply #11 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
YEY!! that got it...how was I supposed to know thats what that referred to..BAH! now to learn a new game Argh.
Reply #12 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Since that was it, are you going to revise your opinion of this being a 'crappy game'?
Reply #13 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
lol...that depends I am only now getting the opportunity to play...give me time I will

PS how do i revise a comment...lol
Reply #14 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
well you can post a new 1, or hit the edit button here, to your right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^


Hey did you check out the new video card prices, cheap arnt they???
  
Monc34