Oh my God that was crazy

Isn't there a racial bonus to miniturization that can be selected at startup?
Also I've seen a galatic wonder or trade good that can boost it.

Try looking at these two to see if it's still possible.

Well there's only one as far as I know and it adds something like 15 or 25 to it. And I looked and couldn't find any racial bonus to miniturisation and there are no abilities that I found that add to it. Also I found the Torians only had two starbases mining military resources. I destroyed them both at once and their power and defence reduced only slightly. They still had insanely powerful stats for even their small ships.

The Torians might have captured multiple miniturization superprojects.

The weapons look right. Plasma (2 damage) x 7 = 14. 29% bonus equals 18. Same for the battleship.

I think you can get 110% miniaturization from researching all the techs plus the hyperion shrinker.

Isn't there a racial bonus to miniturization that can be selected at startup?

No. Well, not one you can select (unless this changed in 1.1).

However their weapons bonus was only +29%.

Plasma III x7 = 14 damage. 29% of 14 = 4 (rounded down). 14 + 4 = 18.

No problem. Same for the battleship. A +29% military bonus is nothing to sneeze at.

Each race can build its own Hyperion Shrinker (+25% miniaturization or so I think). If the Torians had conquered quite a few other races, they could have ended up with several Hyperion Shrinkers, which could explain their big miniaturization bonus.

They researched the miniturization tech branch, and probably had the Hyperion Shrinker also.
Also, there are anomolies that give increases, and if you build a couple more survey ships early in the game you may snatch some of them.

I always go for the research facilities early on, because once you have superior research abilities you can advance so much quicker. You may just be going the wrong route early in the game, and so lag behind in the really important areas.

If you get Xeno Ethics and align with Neutral, you can get the Neutrality Learning Centers, which are by far the most powerful research facilities in the game.

Those ship specs you showed are not hard to achieve. My first ships of the game could wipe those out easily. But I do not build ships until I have done my research first.

Watch the research graphs to see how you are doing in that area.

How do the Torians ever win? In my game they are great at making colony ships.... thats about it though.

l there's only one as far as I know and it adds something like 15 or 25 to it. And I looked and couldn't find any racial bonus to miniturisation and there are no abilities that I found that add to it. Also I found the Torians only had two starbases mining military resources. I destroyed them both at once and their power and defence reduced only slightly. They still had insa

You can get even more if you capture the other Civs miniturization shrinker. just build yours first, them catpture theres as they pop up.

Perhaps the Shrinker should be a Galactic and not a small Wonder?

Either that or make the shrinker just work for the planet it's built on?

+10 Basic Miniaturization
+15 Enhanced
+15 Advanced
+15 Expert
+20 Ultimate
+25 Supreme
+15 Hyperion Shrinker

So +105 is probably the Miniaturization techs up to Ultimate (+75) and two Shrinkers.

There is possibly an unseen bonus, there's a colonization event where you can get a starship bonus.

in my game, torians seem to exapand pretty quick and no matter what happens, they seem to initiate attacks (so much for being good) so i just conquer them before they conquer me (or I am in good alignment)

I've noticed the Torians seem to be game out in one of two different ways. Either they gobble up a lot of planets at the start and inevitably turn into a monstrous killing machine empire that engulfs any civilization next to them... or they get a handful of planets and become really nice peace loving folks who go out of their way to establish trade routes and otherwise be nice.

Bottom line, you have to keep an eye out for the Torians mid game more then just about anyone else. If they are about to go on a jihad you might want to land lease a few ships to their current target to give you some time. They certainly can be the Empire that expands the fastest.

Perhaps the Shrinker should be a Galactic and not a small Wonder?

No, the game should simply work correctly. If you capture a planet where someone has built a small wonder, it should disappear. Or, failing that, be non-functional.

It's a bug, plain and simple.

It's a bug, plain and simple.

actually, it seems more like a "design decision". doesn't it?

a bug would be if they meant for something else to happen, and it didn't.

but if what happens is what was intended, it's not a bug, it's just a design decision you don't agree with.

i happen to agree with it. unless it unbalances the game, why should me invading a planet cause a developed building to stop working there, depending on what i have built on a different planet on the other side of the galaxy?

and, really, does the ability of a player to gain multiples of items that otherwise they can only have one of, does that unbalance the game? since really, anybody can do it, human or AI?

i was surprised by it the first time it happened, but now i expect it. and it feels right.

There's a way to mod the game so miniaturization is an option when choosing racial bonuses. Look in the modding forum.

hmmmmm

does the stuff include military res?

in one of my games i managed to bag 3 of them with res sector. walked over my enemies with those bonuses

No, the game should simply work correctly. If you capture a planet where someone has built a small wonder, it should disappear. Or, failing that, be non-functional. It's a bug, plain and simple.

Saying that something you don't like is a bug is getting really old.

Don't know if this is relevant, but if the Torian ships are fighting a lot of battles, then their crews are getting a lot of experience, which makes them stronger, right?

only in terms of hitpoints