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Atheism and Its Disinformation

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Atheism and Its Disinformation

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Except for the a posteriori contingencies of facts and fantasies, attributed to the works of God, it is ludicrous for one to announce his atheism and even then its posture has no meaning. The so-called atheist himself is subject to the same existential litter that all of us are exposed to. He may rightfully denounce them but he cannot logically renounce the underpinnings of what we experience; for, they did not — contrary to the Bible’s postulate that in the beginning there was nothing — develop out of a pure vacuum free of , however seemingly erratic, becoming élan vital which has always subsisted and always will.

The “atheist” and deist alike presuppose an existence of time; thereby they base their views on a procession that entails cause and effect. The atheist assumes that folding back time will reveal nothing or radical chance; the deist folds back to a most perfect being directing the drama from opening to closing the curtain on existence and gives way to pure spirit but wrongly immersed in time. Both are wrong as the underlayment of the universe is without time, which is the pure meaning of eternity. Even pedestrian eternal time would entail contingencies that would ineluctably eventuate the end of time. Pure eternity entertains no such fallacy; it is, simply, is. Moses got it right when asking for God’s identity the reply was “He Who is.”

The “atheist”, in addition, is on shaky ground when he denies a god of absolute being; for this renegade himself would not have the audacity to proclaim “I am that I am,” thus responsible, as it were, for the creation of himself. Of course, in the realm of existential contingencies — dealing with chop logic of daily living — he is free, though under a pretended label, to assault the false gods, cults and idols at will but in reality he is not negating a supreme power, but rather the frills and hopes of traditional religion, and its spin-offs, that have created anthropomorphic god and gods meddling with destiny.

“Atheism,” then — implying the non-existence of a timeless subsistence — is itself non-existent. It is simply an iconoclastic assault on sanctities invented by the variable cultures in history and therefore must be limited and relegated to the pejorative that only divine contingencies of this world are false gods — and the atheist is one of them.

 

  

Copyright © 2005 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: December 10, 2005.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

We are not afraid to metion or the mention of God at all. Watch this: God, God, God, God, God...etc. See? No problem


Now say Jesus.....Jesus.....Jesus....that's the hard part. It's more personal. There are many gods out there....but only one Jesus.

The atheist believes in a god...just not THE God. They have replaced the god of the universe with themselves as god.

Reminds me of that cartoon picture of Shirley MacLaine shaking her fist at god saying "I am god" in a tiny squeaky voice. This being said at the edge of the vastness of the ocean. She looked like a tiny grain of sand.

One day all knees will bend and all lips confess that Jesus is Lord....regardless if it's done willingly or not. Only then it's too late.....*getting off my soapbox now*
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
One day all knees will bend and all lips confess that Jesus is Lord....regardless if it's done willingly or not.
In face of the horremdous indifference of the cosmos, it is hard to digest the personal, but I hope you're right and don't wind up in a black hole.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Great Article Stevendedalus!

I've always wondered why some self-avowed Atheists expect me to logically defend my spiritual beliefs, but when I turn the table, they simply state, "you can't prove a negative" (or variations thereof).

I can respect agnosticism. I think the words "I don't know" should be a respectable response in our society. Instead, it is seen as a sign of weakness.

All too often, science says "it doesn't exist" when they really mean, "I don't know". What's smaller than quarks? What causes global warming? Who (or what) created the universe. "I don't know" is a much more accurate description of fact than "nothing".

On the other hand, I do know that God exists, but that only works for myself. I can know it within myself, I can tell others about it, but to prove it to someone else is a completely different matter.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
The problem is, in an atheist's frame of reference, God does not exist. How are we to sincerely discuss something that does not exist? It's impossible for me as an atheist to debate something that isn't there.


Actually, from what I've seen, it's more like a terrified fear of admitting the possibility that you (atheists) could be wrong. Or just a flat arrogant refusal to consider the possibility of being wrong because of the implications. Far easier to mock and refuse to acknowledge the validity of the beliefs of others which, in the end, is very intellectually dishonest.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually, from what I've seen, it's more like a terrified fear of admitting the possibility that you (atheists) could be wrong. Or just a flat arrogant refusal to consider the possibility of being wrong because of the implications. Far easier to mock and refuse to acknowledge the validity of the beliefs of others which, in the end, is very intellectually dishonest.


Where did I mock anyone? As for the beliefs of others, I completely acknowledge that they considered their beliefs just a valid as I considered mine. And as they have a right to those beliefs, so do I.
But for me there simply is no point in discussing something that isn't there. Once again this is just an uncalled for attempt to cause me to engage in a conversation about which I have absolutely no frame of reference and it is a pointless persuit.

If you feel it's so easy (i.e. intellectually honest) to discuss things that aren't there then ok, let's discuss ooscapo.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

How are we to sincerely discuss something that does not exist? It's impossible for me as an atheist to debate something that isn't there.


How do you discuss laws or rights?

Do they have a physical existence? I only read about them.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
I can know it within myself, I can tell others about it, but to prove it to someone else is a completely different matter.
The beauty of faith is that you don't have to prove it.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
The beauty of faith is that you don't have to prove it.


The hard part about faith is that it is like love, you can't force it. You might want to have faith but fall short. I am agnostic. I believe in God as a creator and a force that we can't explain. I don't have a personal relationship with God or Jesus though. I haven't been compelled by faith or felt Jesus in my heart.

I don't criticize those who do have faith. Matter of fact, I envy them. I am open to that happening for me some day but know it isn't anything that any other person can bring about. Noone can read from scripture and make it happen. Noone can tell me their own story and make it happen.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
The beauty of faith is that you don't have to prove it.


I have faith that I am always right.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
have faith that I am always right.


Good one! Many people have similar faith but how can you all be right?
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top

I don't criticize those who do have faith. Matter of fact, I envy them. I am open to that happening for me some day but know it isn't anything that any other person can bring about. Noone can read from scripture and make it happen.


This is very insightful. You are very right here. We are powerless to make this happen for ourselves or for another. It's only God who opens our blind eyes to the truth. But he does say..."those who seek me will find me." If you are interested the best place to go is His word and ask him to open your eyes. It all comes down to you and him.

Jesus reply when asked about his "born again" statement from an intellectual was that it was like the wind. You don't know when it's going to come and go.

It's like looking at a sailboat. You can't see the wind but you can see the effects of it. You don't know when it's going to come and when it's going to go but you know by the feel that it's here or not. That's like God. We don't see him but we see the effects of him in our lives and in others, and we can feel him working in our life much the same way the sailboat is influenced by the wind. He gives us direction.

All that is needed is a sincere heart to know God. He does the rest.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Good one! Many people have similar faith but how can you all be right?


It's not about the faith but in whom the faith is in. It all comes down to who you know....not what you know.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
I believe in God as a creator and a force that we can't explain. I don't have a personal relationship with God or Jesus though. I haven't been compelled by faith or felt Jesus in my heart.
Very honest and sincere--but then I feel the same way as you.

All that is needed is a sincere heart to know God.
Still, there are sincere hearts like Jill's and not "know" him.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Still, there are sincere hearts like Jill's and not "know" him.


Very kind of you stevendedalus.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
Very kind of you JillUser! Thanks.