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Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

"Users recently noticed that third-party apps for customizing the user interface no longer work in the upcoming Windows 11 version 24H2. Not only does Microsoft not allow you to run those apps, but it even blocks you from upgrading to newer builds. StartAllBack, a popular tool for tweaking the taskbar and Start menu in Windows 11, was among the first to fail on 24H2. Sadly, it is not the only one. ExplorerPatcher also no longer works in Windows 11 24H2."

"Windows 11 version 24H2 may cause some headaches for those relying on third-party apps for user interface customization. The latest builds ship with the flag that prevents restoring the old taskbar from the Windows 10 era enabled by default. This could be a sign of Microsoft wanting to remove old components from Windows 11 as it moves forward."

Neowin 4/5/2024

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-blocks-even-more-customization-apps-in-windows-11-version-24h2/

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You will be pleased to hear Start11 continues to work including the taskbar features.

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I had to look this one up because Microsoft has not released 24h2 at all yet. It does appear there is a leaked version in circulation. I'm not sure I want to install it, but am curious what 24h2 actually has?

@Niel start 11 is also the better product so nothing to worry about

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Quoting PhoenixRising1,

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24H2 is the next version of Windows 11 which will be released in September or October of this year.

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ExplorerPatcher also already has fixes for 24H2, in case you took the plunge.

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Quoting Mobeeuz,

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ExplorerPatcher also already has fixes for 24H2, in case you took the plunge.

This says it was tested on OS builds 22000.2538, 22621.1992, 22621.3155, 22621.3235, 22621.3296, 25951.1000, and 26058.1000.

Build 26100 is expected to be the RTM for 24H2, so they still have some work to do.

I would expect EP will work until MS actually deprecates the code for the Windows 10 components. Not today, but it's coming!

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edit - just realized 26100 was released on the dev channel, leaked a couple days earlier. I didn't know that was 24h2 preview. Is it worth it?

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Quoting PhoenixRising1,

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edit - just realized 26100 was released on the dev channel, leaked a couple days earlier. I didn't know that was 24h2 preview. Is it worth it?

It is rarely worth running insider builds. They will just cause issues.

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iv'e been saying this for some time now. EP and SAB will need to undergo some very serious rewrites. Def. by Win 12 when MSFT has stated officially the old Taskbar (w10 ver) will be completely gone. That doesn't mean its impossible to do. For example Other titles have just written their own taskbar entirely. We shall see. And as Neil said start 11 works just fine : )

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DrJBHL

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EP and SAB break with almost every Windows update.

Quoting Narusegawa Naru,

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Other titles have just written their own taskbar entirely.

Would that SD could do that and combine WB, Start11vX and TBD (TaskBarDock - the new OD and new task bar combo I pray for).

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Well Windows 11 24H2 have RTM stats.

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DrJBHL

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Quoting Robert84MK,

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Well Windows 11 24H2 have RTM stats.

And 11 is losing market share to W10.

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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Quoting Robert84MK,

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Well Windows 11 24H2 have RTM stats.

And 11 is losing market share to W10.

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/windows-11-market-share-declines-as-users-seemingly-shift-back-to-windows-10

Overall adoption rate doesn't tell the whole story though. What I find interesting is how different the adoption rate is globally versus steam user's adoption rate.

If you look at steam user's specifically, windows 11 adoption rate is climbing very fast. Of steam users; windows 10 / 11 user base is very close to a 50 / 50 ratio. What this tells me is that individuals with a more modern pc do in fact want Windows 11.

With the global adoption rate being so different from steam user adoption rate, that points to other problems. Such as business's choosing not to update to windows 11 for various reasons and people having pc's that just aren't modern enough to support Windows 11. For me personally, my main machine has Windows 11 but I also have older devices that do have windows 10 on them that run better with windows 10. So does that mean my household accounts for only a 33% adoption rate of Windows 11 versus a 66% adoption of windows 10 even though I prefer windows 11?

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DrJBHL

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Quoting PhoenixRising1,

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So does that mean my household accounts for only a 33% adoption rate of Windows 11 versus a 66% adoption of windows 10 even though I prefer windows 11?

Global rate on 3-4 machines?

I think people figure W10 is a better OS than W11...and they're right.

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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Global rate on 3-4 machines?

I think people figure W10 is a better OS than W11...and they're right.

True, but if we look strictly at the steam adoption rate posted by valve of with who is using what os, the story changes a lot.

April stats show 45 % on windows 11 compared to 51 % on Windows 10 with a 3.5 % change in favor of more Windows 11 users.

Why this matters? Gamers are more likely to have modern pcs that are capable of running Windows 11 versus more casual computer users who may have an old system.

I think people that are more tech inclined are much more split towards which os is better. Closer to 50 / 50

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DrJBHL

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Quoting PhoenixRising1,

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Gamers are more likely to have modern pcs that are capable of running Windows 11 versus more casual computer users who may have an old system.

What bothers me most about those statistics is their inherent bias: New machines have W11 on them. There is neither randomness nor free choice in OS on a new machine when it's bought from an OEM, nor given really to one building their own, since the "no more support" date looms, influencing their choice, as well.Many experts state the best OSs MS has produced have been W7, and W10. In order to sell OSs, MS stopped supporting security, etc. for them, and OEMs didn't care as "security demands" created the need for OSs on the faster machines the gamers and graphics users wanted. That's hardly a "free market". Yet, despite that, W10 is pulling in users. You have to ask yourself the reason.

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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Yet, despite that, W10 is pulling in users. You have to ask yourself the reason

TPM 2.0?

Quoting DrJBHL,

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What bothers me most about those statistics is their inherent bias: New machines have W11 on them

Both of our stats have biases in them to the point we could debate for a while. Toms hardware's stats definitely is not taking old machines into account. At least the steam stats takes into consideration pc's that could have either OS. But, the only "free choice" is in the form of a 2-3 year gap of windows 10 devices that were eligible to upgrade to Windows 11. I would love to see stats specifically for those pcs.

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DrJBHL

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Quoting PhoenixRising1,

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I would love to see stats specifically for those pcs.

I'd love to see MS leave W10 taskbar, etc. functionality alone...or improve on it (without advertising). It is immaterial if it looks like a dock or a bar. SD can fix that with Start11/24H2 or whatever nomenclature pleases. The functionality matters the most to me, but appearance is almost as important.

Quoting PhoenixRising1,

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TPM 2.0?

TPM 2.0 can exist independent of W11. It was a requirement for W10 in 2016. MS seems to make the claim that TPM 2.0 is the be all and end all of security. That's nonsense. OS security can be obtained without a new OS, or a special chip. Many older machines can have it enabled via the BIOS.

0Patch proves that W7 can be run securely in the current worm/virus rich environment. Jafo has remained on W7 safely to this day, and happily uninfected.

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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Start11/24H2 or whatever nomenclature pleases

Skynet valley?

Quoting DrJBHL,

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I'd love to see MS leave W10 taskbar, etc. functionality alone...or improve on it (without advertising)

I get it, Windows 11 isn't for everyone. Although I suspect there still is a pretty big chunk of people that do in fact support it.

I am one of the rare people out there that was strongly for upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 8. Of course I also used start 8 at the time. That one small change instantly made Windows 8 a lot better then Windows 7.

Even as someone that is strongly for Windows 11 over Windows 10 I do realize the start menu / taskbar is an area of contention. Everyone on a stardock forum already knows how to fix that. Also I do expect some evolution from Microsoft as well. The vanilla taskbar and start menu has already improved since the early days of Windows 11. Yes I do want to see that go even further and that is why we still want the big yearly updates.

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it is better forget the windows and search alternate stable OS like Linux. Recent days Windows completely non user friendly.

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DrJBHL

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Quoting manoes,

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it is better forget the windows and search alternate stable OS like Linux. Recent days Windows completely non user friendly.

Fortunately or unfortunately, SD software supports Windows.

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Quoting manoes,

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it is better forget the windows and search alternate stable OS like Linux. Recent days Windows completely non user friendly.

I am in the IT sector since 1990 and that didn't work all this time, although I would have got rich for 5 $ for everyone claiming we should all 'switch to Linux' in the meantime.

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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Quoting PhoenixRising1,

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So does that mean my household accounts for only a 33% adoption rate of Windows 11 versus a 66% adoption of windows 10 even though I prefer windows 11?

Global rate on 3-4 machines?

I think people figure W10 is a better OS than W11...and they're right.

And its why Windows Server 2022 i better.

Windows Server Free Trial 180days and you have local account on Windows Installer.

Windows Server 2022 = Windows 11 base + Windows 10 GUI.

On Server 2022 you do not have blotware and a lot elements is disable on system.

But if you want buy keys in official shops you will pay a lot more money. Or buy key from g2a or other not official shops to pay less money.

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