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Start11 1.46 Beta Feedback Thread

June 23, 2023 9:49:15 AM from Stardock ForumsStardock Forums

With the Start11 1.46 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

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Reply #1 June 23, 2023 9:50:07 AM
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Start11 1.46 Changelog (Released 06/27/2023)

06/27/2023

06/21/2023

Version: 1.46 (1.4.6.0 file version)

  • NEW : Right-click on the taskbar button now offers Close Window instead of Close All Windows on Windows 11

  • Now supports win key when foreground app is elevated

  • Resolves issue with taskbar line not always showing correctly on Win11 22H2 when taskbar enhancements are disabled.

  • Added option to block Winkey handling entirely when in a fullscreen application

  • Resolved some taskbar incompatibility issues with right-clicking on the taskbar on recent dev channel builds of Win11.

  • Adjusted taskbar button flashing color in light mode as too pale

  • Resolved issues with apps that rapidly update the taskbar progress bars hanging the taskbar for periods

  • Workaround for a crash caused by Grammarly being installed when using sub-menus

  • Fixed issue with taskbar shifted up when using non-standard scaling factors (like 140%)

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Reply #2 June 23, 2023 9:50:32 AM
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Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

  • Ctrl + Esc will open the native Windows Start menu.
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Reply #3 June 23, 2023 9:50:43 AM
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Reply #4 June 23, 2023 2:15:36 PM
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I am trying the 1.4.6 Beta to see if my issue was fixed and it is not. I am using the Start Menu > Configuration > Shortcut list area and created a "Quick Launch" that is set to "Display as a menu". I have it displaying at the bottom so it is right above the Start Menu itself.

The problem is that when I choose that Quick Launch item at all (just to look at everything I have listed or to launch something from a shortcut contained within my Quick Launch folder) as soon as I click away or launch something explorer.exe must restart. Most things on the desktop disappear along with the Taskbar (freaked me out the first time I tried it) and any explorers I have open are closed (that is the most annoying part since I lost whatever I had open). 

When I reported this in the 1.4.5 thread someone asked if I was using Dragon or anything like that and I am not. I am using ExplorerPatcher to get my Quick Launch area back and I use Grammarly and AutoHotKey. Those are the only non-standard things I can think of that I'm running, but there could be others.

Is there any other information I can give you to track this down and hopefully get it fixed?

I would love to stop using the other method for getting Quick Launch back (ExplorerPatcher) since it is limiting a few other things that I use, but right now I can't have my explorer disappear each time I touch my Quick Launch area. I really, really hope you can fix this and it wasn't done this way on purpose.

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Reply #5 June 23, 2023 4:56:45 PM
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Quoting crookslaura,
reply 4

I am trying the 1.4.6 Beta to see if my issue was fixed and it is not. I am using the Start Menu > Configuration > Shortcut list area and created a "Quick Launch" that is set to "Display as a menu". I have it displaying at the bottom so it is right above the Start Menu itself.

The problem is that when I choose that Quick Launch item at all (just to look at everything I have listed or to launch something from a shortcut contained within my Quick Launch folder) as soon as I click away or launch something explorer.exe must restart. Most things on the desktop disappear along with the Taskbar (freaked me out the first time I tried it) and any explorers I have open are closed (that is the most annoying part since I lost whatever I had open). 

When I reported this in the 1.4.5 thread someone asked if I was using Dragon or anything like that and I am not. I am using ExplorerPatcher to get my Quick Launch area back and I use Grammarly and AutoHotKey. Those are the only non-standard things I can think of that I'm running, but there could be others.

Is there any other information I can give you to track this down and hopefully get it fixed?

I would love to stop using the other method for getting Quick Launch back (ExplorerPatcher) since it is limiting a few other things that I use, but right now I can't have my explorer disappear each time I touch my Quick Launch area. I really, really hope you can fix this and it wasn't done this way on purpose.

Unless I am not understanding your scenario correctly, I am almost certain that the issue is the incompatibility between Start11 and Explorer Patcher. 

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Reply #6 June 23, 2023 5:18:04 PM
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My both bugs are fixed with 1.4.6! Thank you!

 

- Fix for problems with apps that quickly update the taskbar progress bar and block the taskbar for some time.

- Fixed a problem with the taskbar shifting upwards when using non-standard scaling factors (like 140%)

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Reply #7 June 23, 2023 5:38:32 PM
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Quoting BradSams,
reply 5


Quoting crookslaura,
reply 4

I am trying the 1.4.6 Beta to see if my issue was fixed and it is not. I am using the Start Menu > Configuration > Shortcut list area and created a "Quick Launch" that is set to "Display as a menu". I have it displaying at the bottom so it is right above the Start Menu itself.

The problem is that when I choose that Quick Launch item at all (just to look at everything I have listed or to launch something from a shortcut contained within my Quick Launch folder) as soon as I click away or launch something explorer.exe must restart. Most things on the desktop disappear along with the Taskbar (freaked me out the first time I tried it) and any explorers I have open are closed (that is the most annoying part since I lost whatever I had open). 

When I reported this in the 1.4.5 thread someone asked if I was using Dragon or anything like that and I am not. I am using ExplorerPatcher to get my Quick Launch area back and I use Grammarly and AutoHotKey. Those are the only non-standard things I can think of that I'm running, but there could be others.

Is there any other information I can give you to track this down and hopefully get it fixed?

I would love to stop using the other method for getting Quick Launch back (ExplorerPatcher) since it is limiting a few other things that I use, but right now I can't have my explorer disappear each time I touch my Quick Launch area. I really, really hope you can fix this and it wasn't done this way on purpose.



Unless I am not understanding your scenario correctly, I am almost certain that the issue is the incompatibility between Start11 and Explorer Patcher. 

 

I did uninstalled ExplorerPatcher first with the 1.4.5 revision and there wasn't any difference.

I just uninstalled it again and with this version it is slightly better. This time if I choose the Quick Launch area and then click away from it nothing happens (which is good - before it used to restart explorer.exe). The problem is if I choose to launch something from within that menu structure explorer.exe restarts and my taskbar and everything goes away.

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Reply #8 June 23, 2023 6:02:15 PM
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Quoting crookslaura,
reply 7


Quoting BradSams,
reply 5






Quoting crookslaura,

reply 4


I am trying the 1.4.6 Beta to see if my issue was fixed and it is not. I am using the Start Menu > Configuration > Shortcut list area and created a "Quick Launch" that is set to "Display as a menu". I have it displaying at the bottom so it is right above the Start Menu itself.

The problem is that when I choose that Quick Launch item at all (just to look at everything I have listed or to launch something from a shortcut contained within my Quick Launch folder) as soon as I click away or launch something explorer.exe must restart. Most things on the desktop disappear along with the Taskbar (freaked me out the first time I tried it) and any explorers I have open are closed (that is the most annoying part since I lost whatever I had open). 

When I reported this in the 1.4.5 thread someone asked if I was using Dragon or anything like that and I am not. I am using ExplorerPatcher to get my Quick Launch area back and I use Grammarly and AutoHotKey. Those are the only non-standard things I can think of that I'm running, but there could be others.

Is there any other information I can give you to track this down and hopefully get it fixed?

I would love to stop using the other method for getting Quick Launch back (ExplorerPatcher) since it is limiting a few other things that I use, but right now I can't have my explorer disappear each time I touch my Quick Launch area. I really, really hope you can fix this and it wasn't done this way on purpose.



Unless I am not understanding your scenario correctly, I am almost certain that the issue is the incompatibility between Start11 and Explorer Patcher. 



 

I did uninstalled ExplorerPatcher first with the 1.4.5 revision and there wasn't any difference.

I just uninstalled it again and with this version it is slightly better. This time if I choose the Quick Launch area and then click away from it nothing happens (which is good - before it used to restart explorer.exe). The problem is if I choose to launch something from within that menu structure explorer.exe restarts and my taskbar and everything goes away.

The trigger is Grammarly.  If you remove that I suspect everything will work correctly.

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Reply #9 June 24, 2023 11:50:15 PM
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Quoting sdRohan,
reply 1



06/21/2023

Version: 1.46 (1.4.6.0 file version)

  • NEW : Right-click on the taskbar button now offers Close Window instead of Close All Windows on Windows 11


Thank you so much for implementing this! This was one of my biggest annoyances and I reported it a month or so back, glad you guys are constantly improving Start11 and listening to your customers! cheers!

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Reply #10 June 26, 2023 9:57:21 AM
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Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 8


Quoting crookslaura,
reply 7


Quoting BradSams,
reply 5


Quoting crookslaura,
reply 4


I am trying the 1.4.6 Beta to see if my issue was fixed and it is not. I am using the Start Menu > Configuration > Shortcut list area and created a "Quick Launch" that is set to "Display as a menu". I have it displaying at the bottom so it is right above the Start Menu itself.

The problem is that when I choose that Quick Launch item at all (just to look at everything I have listed or to launch something from a shortcut contained within my Quick Launch folder) as soon as I click away or launch something explorer.exe must restart. Most things on the desktop disappear along with the Taskbar (freaked me out the first time I tried it) and any explorers I have open are closed (that is the most annoying part since I lost whatever I had open). 

When I reported this in the 1.4.5 thread someone asked if I was using Dragon or anything like that and I am not. I am using ExplorerPatcher to get my Quick Launch area back and I use Grammarly and AutoHotKey. Those are the only non-standard things I can think of that I'm running, but there could be others.

Is there any other information I can give you to track this down and hopefully get it fixed?

I would love to stop using the other method for getting Quick Launch back (ExplorerPatcher) since it is limiting a few other things that I use, but right now I can't have my explorer disappear each time I touch my Quick Launch area. I really, really hope you can fix this and it wasn't done this way on purpose.




Unless I am not understanding your scenario correctly, I am almost certain that the issue is the incompatibility between Start11 and Explorer Patcher. 




I did uninstalled ExplorerPatcher first with the 1.4.5 revision and there wasn't any difference.

I just uninstalled it again and with this version it is slightly better. This time if I choose the Quick Launch area and then click away from it nothing happens (which is good - before it used to restart explorer.exe). The problem is if I choose to launch something from within that menu structure explorer.exe restarts and my taskbar and everything goes away.



The trigger is Grammarly.  If you remove that I suspect everything will work correctly.

 

You nailed it! I disabled Grammarly no more restarting explorer.exe when that isn't running and I use the Quick Launch menu. Unfortunately I can't work without Grammarly, so I have to figure out if I can live with the restarting explorer.exe or if I go back to ExplorerPatcher (with its bugs).

 

Any chance this is fixable in a future version?

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Reply #11 June 26, 2023 11:35:32 AM
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Quoting crookslaura,
reply 10

You nailed it! I disabled Grammarly no more restarting explorer.exe when that isn't running and I use the Quick Launch menu. Unfortunately I can't work without Grammarly, so I have to figure out if I can live with the restarting explorer.exe or if I go back to ExplorerPatcher (with its bugs).
 

Any chance this is fixable in a future version?

We have tried, multiple ppl and PCs, but could not reproduce it.

Try a total uninstall of Start11 and reinstall with this build, please.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

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Reply #12 June 27, 2023 11:16:17 AM
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Since I'm still in the trial period and don't have access to 1.46, I can't test myself...

So I would like to ask if the handling of virtual desktops is changed.

See here:
https://forums.stardock.com/520692/page/1/#3894704

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Reply #13 June 27, 2023 11:56:00 AM
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Quoting sdRohan,
reply 11


Quoting crookslaura,
reply 10

You nailed it! I disabled Grammarly no more restarting explorer.exe when that isn't running and I use the Quick Launch menu. Unfortunately I can't work without Grammarly, so I have to figure out if I can live with the restarting explorer.exe or if I go back to ExplorerPatcher (with its bugs).
 

Any chance this is fixable in a future version?



We have tried, multiple ppl and PCs, but could not reproduce it.

Try a total uninstall of Start11 and reinstall with this build, please.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

 

I'm working on the uninstall (tried it without killing my settings and the problem persists). Is there a way I can save my settings off to the side so I can try this just to see if the full uninstall/reinstall fixes the problem and maybe not have to rebuild my whole tile start menu?

 

Also, I did a bit more testing and depending on what I click from my Quick Launch folder I get different interactions. If I launch an excel file right from the main level there the first time I try it the explorer restart happens and the file is not opened. If I then try again it just opens the file (no explorer restart this time). 

 

Then I tried to launch a Visual Basic (yes, we're still programming in a really old language) project from a sub-menu within the Quick Launch folder and no matter how many times I tried it just did the explorer restart and never launched VB.

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Reply #14 June 27, 2023 1:43:28 PM
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All, 

Start11 1.46 was released today.  

As always, thanks for your feedback and support for the beta.

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