Start11 1.45 Beta Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 1.45 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

 
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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 1.45 Changelog (Released 06/06/2023)

06/06/2023

Stardock Release: 06/06/2023
Steam Release: 06/07/2023 (Planned)

1.4.5.2 (file version) - 1.45 in UI

06/01/2023

  • WinKey handling on the very latest Win11 builds improved so if the user is using Explorer patcher or using the right WinKey it will now support those. 
    Note: Elevated apps in the foreground are currently not supported.  Further investigation is required to support these. 

  • A further tweak to how the touch taskbar is detected on Win11

1.4.5.1 (file version) - 1.45 in UI

05/26/2023

  • Additional fixes that we believe address some of the reported compatibility issues with the KB5026446 Windows 11 release. 

05/25/2023

  • Has a tweak for the taskbar shifting issue when on Win11 with touch-capable hardware. It should, at the very least, fix the issue with having an external monitor and turning it off and going back to internal when DPIs didn't match

1.4.5.0 (file version) - 1.45 in UI

05/15/2023

  • This fixes 6309 (Right-click of sound on TB opens up on 2nd monitor).

  • Fixes taskbar issue when switching primary monitor by unplugging monitors.

Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

  • TBD
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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

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Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 1.45 Beta is working much better than 1.44 with my three monitor setup. All windows are returning to the expected place after sleep. Thanks, devs.

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

My laptop is hooked up to an external monitor. The taskbar still has sizing issues when it wakes from sleep. 

Winver: Windows 11 22H2 (22621.1702)

Start11 Ver: 1.45

 

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting jfingold, reply 5

My laptop is hooked up to an external monitor. The taskbar still has sizing issues when it wakes from sleep. 

Winver: Windows 11 22H2 (22621.1702)

Start11 Ver: 1.45

 


End of jfingold's quote

Just to rule out any issues with the install, can you uninstall Start11, REBOOT (important) and reinstall Start11 1.45 and see if the problem continues.

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

I did a full reinstall with reboot and it is still happening. 

Let me know if you need more info to isolate the bug, etc. 

It was happening with 1.44 too. I was hoping the beta would fix. 

BTW...I'm on a Surface Pro 8 connected to a Caldigit TS4 dock via USB-C connected to a Newline Flex 27" touchscreen monitor (also via USB-C). 

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Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting jfingold, reply 7

I did a full reinstall with reboot and it is still happening. 

Let me know if you need more info to isolate the bug, etc. 

It was happening with 1.44 too. I was hoping the beta would fix. 

BTW...I'm on a Surface Pro 8 connected to a Caldigit TS4 dock via USB-C connected to a Newline Flex 27" touchscreen monitor (also via USB-C). 
End of jfingold's quote

In that case your issue is different to what was fixed.  The fix was for computers which were not tablets which were incorrectly enabling the touch taskbar support.

Is your problem only on the primary display?

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Hi, just installed Start 11 1.45 together with Windows 11 22H2 and Displayfusion 10.1 Beta 3 (and 4 monitors). Unfortunately i have a problem with the taskbar (also tried with 1.44 and non beta of DisplayFusion).

My main goal for buying Start 11 was the option to never combine the taskbar buttons. However when I combine these 3 software products, my taskbar is on top of my applications. So I cannot read or reach the bottom part of the application (see below). I reached out to DisplayFusion and they are not able to help and pointing me to Start11.

Is there anyway to fix this? I never had this problem on Windows 10 and before Windows 11 22H2.

 

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting aobh, reply 9

Hi, just installed Start 11 1.45 together with Windows 11 22H2 and Displayfusion 10.1 Beta 3 (and 4 monitors). Unfortunately i have a problem with the taskbar (also tried with 1.44 and non beta of DisplayFusion).

My main goal for buying Start 11 was the option to never combine the taskbar buttons. However when I combine these 3 software products, my taskbar is on top of my applications. So I cannot read or reach the bottom part of the application (see below). I reached out to DisplayFusion and they are not able to help and pointing me to Start11.

Is there anyway to fix this? I never had this problem on Windows 10 and before Windows 11 22H2.

 


End of aobh's quote

Does the issue happen without displayfusion installed at all?

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

It's only happening when I have the laptop hooked up to the external display. It works correctly when it's in normal "laptop mode." 

Also, it works correctly when I first turn on the computer. The issue is when it wakes from sleep. I have to restart the explorer in taskbar settings to get it to look normal. 

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting joshfingold, reply 11

It's only happening when I have the laptop hooked up to the external display. It works correctly when it's in normal "laptop mode." 

Also, it works correctly when I first turn on the computer. The issue is when it wakes from sleep. I have to restart the explorer in taskbar settings to get it to look normal. 
End of joshfingold's quote

So is this connected to both monitors at once, or is the external display set to disable the internal display?

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

No. The laptop is closed. It's hooked up via usb-c to a hub and then to the monitor. 

I'm happy to jump on a Zoom call to show you if it will help. 

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Hello,

 

i hoped the beta will fix it but not. Since the latest MS patch KB502644 yesterday, the windows key is opening the orignal start menu only. Any workarround? I can open the Start11 menu only using clicki-clicki.

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting darkstorm46870, reply 14

Hello,

 

i hoped the beta will fix it but not. Since the latest MS patch KB502644 yesterday, the windows key is opening the orignal start menu only. Any workarround? I can open the Start11 menu only using clicki-clicki.
End of darkstorm46870's quote

 

Check this:

https://forums.stardock.com/520306/page/1/#3891247 

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting darkstorm46870, reply 14

Hello,

 

i hoped the beta will fix it but not. Since the latest MS patch KB502644 yesterday, the windows key is opening the orignal start menu only. Any workarround? I can open the Start11 menu only using clicki-clicki.
End of darkstorm46870's quote

What version number is your Windows 11 exactly?

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

No matter what I try I can't get menu transparency to work, though the taskbar transparency works fine. I installed Start11 1.4.4 fist, and when it didn't work I just tried the 1.4.5 beta.

This is on a raw Windows 11 Professional Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.1778) install, with no other apps installed except Start11. Hopefully this can be fixed, as the Windows 11 GUI is an atrocity. Even if Start11 works it's going to be bad, but a functional Start11 would certainly help.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm a retired R&D hardware/firmware/software engineer and understand that Windows 11 is still in an Alpha state, so I don't blame the Start11 developers for having difficulties with the never ending Windows 11 changes. 

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Thank you

 

I've unistalled and installed the beta again and it is wokring but sometimes it still opens the standard menu.

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Latest WIndows 11 updates prevent Start11 (v1.44) from displaying the Start11 menù in WIndows7 style.

Whatever style I choose, it's always the painful Windows11... anyone else experienced this?
Baio

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

I noticed that with Start11 1.4.5.1 beta (and earlier), The Windows key still only brings up Start11 on the Desktop, during gaming or when an application like Steam is in Focus, it now always brings up the Windows 11 Start Menu, no matter which settings I set in Start11 with the latest Windows 11 Update.
Before this Windows 11 Update, the Windows key brought up the Start 11 menu no matter what. Is it possible to restore the previous Start11 behavior?

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Baio73, reply 21

Latest WIndows 11 updates prevent Start11 (v1.44) from displaying the Start11 menù in WIndows7 style.

Whatever style I choose, it's always the painful Windows11... anyone else experienced this?
Baio
End of Baio73's quote

 

After a deeper investigation, I discovered that Start11 was not the problem... latest updates definitely broke WinStep NextStart.

 

Baio

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Cave, reply 22

I noticed that with Start11 1.4.5.1 beta (and earlier), The Windows key still only brings up Start11 on the Desktop, during gaming or when an application like Steam is in Focus, it now always brings up the Windows 11 Start Menu, no matter which settings I set in Start11 with the latest Windows 11 Update.
Before this Windows 11 Update, the Windows key brought up the Start 11 menu no matter what. Is it possible to restore the previous Start11 behavior?
End of Cave's quote

Do you perhaps have UAC disabled or Steam set to launch elevated?

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 24


Quoting Cave Waverider233,
reply 22

I noticed that with Start11 1.4.5.1 beta (and earlier), The Windows key still only brings up Start11 on the Desktop, during gaming or when an application like Steam is in Focus, it now always brings up the Windows 11 Start Menu, no matter which settings I set in Start11 with the latest Windows 11 Update.
Before this Windows 11 Update, the Windows key brought up the Start 11 menu no matter what. Is it possible to restore the previous Start11 behavior?



Do you perhaps have UAC disabled or Steam set to launch elevated?

End of Neil's quote
I have UAC set to "never notifiy" (not sure if that's actually fully off or not). It's how I've had it forever and it always worked fine. Is that problem?

It doesn't only happen with Steam, though, when playing any non-Steam games or even just starting their launchers, or even if the window focus is on something like HWInfo64, MSI Afterburner, CRU etc. the Windows key also brings up the Win11 menu instead of Start11.

I'm using the "Modern Style", Start11 menu by the way.


Update: I changed UAC to the second lowest level "Notify me only when apps...", and the problem is still the same - it didn't make a difference in Start menu behavior, so it doesn't seem to be related to UAC.