The non-native Windows 10 style start menu is unbearably rough

Not UWP,not XAML island or WinUI Library

非原生 Windows 10 风格的开始菜单粗糙得难以忍受

众所周知,从Windows 8开始屏幕开始,“开始”是由UWP控件构建的,而不是WPF(虽然WPF中也使用了XAML),Windows 10也是如此。

 

当我看到“Windows 10风格”时,我很期待,但是当我开始时,我发现我似乎回到了Windows 7,Vista......

 

右键菜单不是UWP控件!,这能叫Windows 10吗?

甚至没有开始菜单!, 按下按钮时没有“倾斜”效果,更不用说某些用户可能期望的“显示”效果。滚动浏览所有程序列表时没有平滑效果。我觉得我被欺骗了,我期待一个现代的开始菜单,一个真正的 Windows 10 风格,但根本不是。

 

你可以用WinUI3或者XAML island来构建,但是你没有做到,你没有做到......我无法掩饰我的失望,毕竟你是唯一一个通过微软认证的可以重构的软件开发者系统的外观。

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Reply #1 Top

The right click menus are having an overhaul visually in the next update and I think they should be more visually appealing.  This is them in light mode.

The scrolling on the lists is not currently being smoothed but again will be in the next update.  Some mice send smoothed input, but some do not and so will currently scroll in jumps.

It is true the controls do not tilt when clicked.  This wasn't considered a priority but if there is sufficient demand we can probably add it in.

Reply #2 Top

No, this is still a WPF control, which means that it will never have the same smoothness as the Windows 10 Start menu, right-click menu expansion animation, click effects, and so on. You should build with XAML island or WinUI3, not WPF or WF.

Reply #3 Top

Fans of Windows 10 style are fans of modern Windows, not "classic Windows". For the old-fashioned users, they reject the start menu of Windows 10, hoping to return to Windows 7 or earlier. -And for the supporters of the Windows 10 menu,-if I remember correctly, this design has won the IDSA award-without a doubt, this is the best start menu in the history of Windows.

 

It is assembled in one page

1Account management and computer power

2User folders and settings

3 List of all programs

4Custom shortcuts (and include grouping functions)

 

This is the most comprehensive function, the lowest level (only one level!), the most efficient one-time start menu (although the cursor movement distance is increased when the width is larger), smooth design, modern appearance and technology (framework: UWP control, language : XAML), extremely high response speed, this is the reason why we love it.

 

And Windows is a tribute to Android. I don't deny that it caters to the mobile interface in order to build a unified experience. After all, Windows Phone and Windows Mobile are gone. But the grouping function is gone, the lower half of the interface is placed in the meaningless "recently used" (can not be closed yet, closed still occupies the general space), all programs are in the second level. Oh my god, what's this up? But this does not mean that we deny its modern technology and appearance.

 

When I use the lagging and retro WPF or other technology to build the start menu, I have to feel that it is better to put up with Windows 11's own start menu than this.

Reply #4 Top

No part of Start11 uses WPF or WF.

The scrolling is not lagging because it is non responsive, it is because your mouse is sending input in a low res way.  Some mice send high res scrolling input which means Start11 will scroll the menu smooth as silk.  Others send input as scroll X lines.  These need smoothing out as otherwise the menu simply jumps which is the case now.  The next update smooths this just like the Windows 10 menu has to.

Reply #5 Top

So is it a appearence built by XAML island or WinUI Library?

Reply #6 Top

Quoting Shomnipotence, reply 5

So is it a appearence built by XAML island or WinUI Library?
End of Shomnipotence's quote

No.  It is all Win32.

The underlying frameworks are not magic, you can achieve good results with many technologies.  It is the end result that counts, not how you get there.

If you expand any of the folders in the left hand list you should see them animate smoothly.

Animations just need to be added in.  The tech is there, but used only for a few areas for now.

Reply #7 Top

Yes, they are all Win32, so you have to work very hard to achieve the animation consistent with the system. Imitation is very, very difficult. If there is a direct way, why not use it? Using the Windows UI library or XAML island, you can get everything at once-smooth scrolling, reval effects, various animations, consistent menu styles that are exactly the same as the system, without worrying about copyright issues, and the same hovering effect. You can indeed simulate all of this on Win32, but why do you want to do this? Does Start 11 need to provide a Windows 10 menu on Windows 7?

Reply #8 Top

Before the official release, can we get the real start menu, or will they have animation?