Shortcut search broken

Start10 fails to find program shortcuts

In the last week or so, program searches from Start10 fail to find shortcuts in All Programs. I have uninstalled, run the purge utility, and reinstalled (latest version) but the behavior persists. Suspect a recent Windows 10 update may have broken this, since those used to break Classic Start/Shell from time to time. Currently on Win 10.0.21370

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Reply #1 Top

Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. I recognize that you're on Windows 10 Insider preview version. From what I know Stardock do not officially support Insider preview version of Windows 10.

Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

Reply #2 Top

The only thing that should impact that would be if MIcrosoft broke their search indexer.

It is entirely possible thats the case in an insider build in which case they will no doubt fix it again.

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Quoting Neil, reply 2

The only thing that should impact that would be if MIcrosoft broke their search indexer.
End of Neil's quote

Native Windows search still works to find programs as expected, so search indexer doesn't seem to be completely broken, however Start10's connection to it may be. When I look at Indexing Options, I do see entries for Start Menu and Start10Crtrlpnl, so it at least seems set up still. What's weird is, it's only broken for some app shortcuts- unfortunately many that I use often.

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Quoting RealRedJay, reply 3


Quoting Neil Banfield,

The only thing that should impact that would be if MIcrosoft broke their search indexer.



Native Windows search still works to find programs as expected, so search indexer doesn't seem to be completely broken, however Start10's connection to it may be. When I look at Indexing Options, I do see entries for Start Menu and Start10Crtrlpnl, so it at least seems set up still. What's weird is, it's only broken for some app shortcuts- unfortunately many that I use often.

End of RealRedJay's quote

Where are those shortcuts located?

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My shortcuts are almost universally stored in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

However, I have discovered that the only shortcuts appearing in Start10 seem to be coming from the registry or some other source because, when you open their location, explorer opens to the application install folder, not the shortcuts folder, which would be the normal behavior if the shortcut source were the Start Menu folders.

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I have just checked here on 21370 and search appears to be working correctly.

Installed applications are indeed being located correctly.

Search does indeed query multiple sources and it certainly sounds like the indexing service has broken itself in some manner on your computer as that would explain the missing results.  You may want to try rebuilding the search index.

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Rebuilding the search index did not improve the search results.

Setting Start10 to use "Cortana" search instead of built-in does cause the missing programs to be returned in results, but this option suffers from a bug where the first letter typed never registers (the first keypress seems to only initiate the search, but isn't passed the character typed). 

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Quoting Neil, reply 6

I have just checked here on 21370 and search appears to be working correctly.
End of Neil's quote

Updated to Windows 21376 and Start10 still does not correctly find all shortcuts in the Start Menu folder (to clarify, some shortcuts are found, but many not).

I installed OpenShell and it finds all shortcuts correctly. At this point, since I need a functional start menu, I am going to leave Start10 uninstalled and switch back to using OpenShell until a Start10 update is released.  

Reply #9 Top

Given the lack of other reports and the inability to reproduce this here it is unlikely any update for Start10 would make a difference.

The most likely explanation based on what we know now is something is broken on your install.  This is why Microsoft say not to use insider builds for production work as they are not ready.

Other products are probably not using the windows search system for looking at shortcuts but instead simply enumerating the shortcuts as they build the all programs list and then searching that internally.

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That said, was this a clean install of each insider build or upgrades?

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Quoting Neil, reply 10

That said, was this a clean install of each insider build or upgrades?
End of Neil's quote

The update that seemed to coincide with Start10 not being able to access search was actually neither, technically. I did an install in place, so Windows retains my application and files but is much more thorough of an install than an update, but resets less things than a clean install.

I understand it's difficult to diagnose something that seems connected to Insider builds, however I'm not sure MS is testing for Start10 compatibility so not sure this will ever be addressed on their end. Since native Windows search works entirely as expected outside the context of Start10 but no one else is reporting/replicating this behavior, I suspect something has broken in my Start10 installation that is not being corrected by an uninstall and purge. I did notice that in the 2 times I used the Purge script, there were still remnants of Start10 left behind in directories, the registry, and the indexer settings. That makes me wonder if enough things have been reset back to a pre-install state before re-installing Start10. 

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I'm also having this issue. It started right after I updated to Win 10 20H2 (19042.985), which I had postponed for a while until my OS started nagging me.

Whenever I search for certain apps I don't get any results, but the shortcuts are there if I navigate my way through All Programs. It doesn't affect all of them, but I've been trying out searching for a lot of the apps that are in All Programs and most of them do not appear in the results.

I've started an index rebuild now and will leave it overnight to see if that helps, but I doubt it considering RealRedJay didn't have any luck with it.