DARCA1213 DARCA1213

I don't think i can do this.

I don't think i can do this.

Why?

I was really excited about galciv3 after buying the ultimate edition, until I recently heard there will be no physical copy. Why? I would have no problem if it download in about a hour, but I once did a digital download of mass effect extended cut which was 1.9 giga bytes and took about 32 hours! If this is common why would anyone think this was faster and the future(not yet anyway)? I really want to play this and give stardock my money and be a founder. but if i cant even play the game... Can someone tell me this isn't normal i have 4giga byte internet speed. And i even founded Wardell day .

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Reply #26 Top

Well I can kind of feel the problem here. I live in Tucson and some places don't have Dsl but the old land line option of not faster than 56k. Other pars have Quest and not Cox.

Reply #27 Top

Comcast is expensive as hell but I can't argue with how good their internet is. 

 

I get on average a 10ms Ping, 57.7 Mb/sec download and 11.7 Mb/sec upload (according to Speedtest.net) and that was with 2 other people in the house online playing games at the same time.

 

I highly recommend them as an internet provider if you need a lot of bandwidth.

Reply #28 Top

If I have to "pay though the nose" for Comcast then I will, but I have a laptop could I get let say 50MBps though the air instead of landline cable? Is that possible?

I have never had a landline connection but could that work for a laptop and still be able to move it? sorry if I sound dumb but I am hearing alot of voices trying to help which I appreciate.

Reply #29 Top

For advice on your local configuration, your best bet would be a tech specialist like the Staples store has. Make sure you are talking to a techie, not a salesperson. Tell him/her what you have and what you want to do. If monthly fee is a serious factor, your local phone co may be a better choice. I get along fine with 6Mbps. Since Steam downloads are done in packets an interrupted download will resume where it left off. You don't loose much.

As a guess, if your laptop has no LAN capability (WiFi only), both places (tel and cable) will probably suggest a modem (DSL for phone, but I don't know what it is for cable) with a WiFi attached. If your laptop has LAN capability, they will probably suggest a modem with a LAN router.

 

 

Reply #30 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 28

If I have to "pay though the nose" for Comcast then I will, but I have a laptop could I get let say 50MBps though the air instead of landline cable? Is that possible?

I have never had a landline connection but could that work for a laptop and still be able to move it? sorry if I sound dumb but I am hearing alot of voices trying to help which I appreciate.
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It's possible, but it's not very likely. You could just tether your T-Mobile phone and use it's connection for your laptop if your phone supports it, but you won't be getting 50Mbps very often with that. If you have public WiFi available nearby, that's an option too, though it may take a while to get the game. (Once the first download is done patches should be faster, as you won't have to download the art/sound again.)

Depending on where you live you might be able to get service from Comcast or Verizon.

Reply #31 Top

Can my phone do that for the laptop? and here's a fun fact. I confirmed my tethering speed was 15kbps! And some dish nation employees told me there internet sucks and should get Comcast.

but if it is possible to get fast internet for my phone(its the core of my tech life) and tether it to my laptop? I really am a mobile person(21 century rocks!). My laptop dose have one LAN port though I don't use it for internet that often in fear that a virus will corrupt my writing, I have MANY backups so IF LAN is good in your book it is in mine to. (viruses come from exotic sites alot... so its easy to use my replaceable phone and not my laptop :blush: .)

I was under the impression (and it's the medias fault :grin: ) that LAN was slower because of the wires vs speed of light through the air?

I can never give enough karma to you all.

Reply #32 Top

We must have sent our messages at the same time.

yea 50 is a high expectation. Curious though how many gigs will this game be?

Reply #33 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 32

We must have sent our messages at the same time.

yea 50 is a high expectation. Curious though how many gigs will this game be?
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It's too early to give even an estimate.

 

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31
but if it is possible to get fast internet for my phone(its the core of my tech life) and tether it to my laptop? I really am a mobile person(21 century rocks!). My laptop dose have one LAN port though I don't use it for internet that often in fear that a virus will corrupt my writing, I have MANY backups so IF LAN is good in your book it is in mine to. (viruses come from exotic sites alot... so its easy to use my replaceable phone and not my laptop .)
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I would not recommend using a tethered phone connection, especially for downloading games off Steam.

There's nothing wrong with a LAN or wi-fi connection.  You are going to get much better performance than tethering a phone.

 

Reply #34 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31

Can my phone do that for the laptop? and here's a fun fact. I confirmed my tethering speed was 15kbps! And some dish nation employees told me there internet sucks and should get Comcast.
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It depends on the phone, and I'm told in the US it may also depend on your plan (here in Canada it's always enabled if your phone supports it).

On my iPhone, I can tell it to create a wifi hotspot, and then I can connect anything that can connect to wifi to that hotspot, such as a laptop. The laptop then uses the iPhone as it's Internet connection. It's not fast at all, but it works almost anywhere.

but if it is possible to get fast internet for my phone(its the core of my tech life) and tether it to my laptop? I really am a mobile person(21 century rocks!). My laptop dose have one LAN port though I don't use it for internet that often in fear that a virus will corrupt my writing, I have MANY backups so IF LAN is good in your book it is in mine to. (viruses come from exotic sites alot... so its easy to use my replaceable phone and not my laptop .)
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Since you have a 4G phone, it might be fairly fast. I know LTE up here is blazing fast. You'd need to call your phone provider and ask them what they can offer you. Then call Comcast and Verizon and see what they can offer you. Since you only need a basic package, you might find the wireline service reasonably priced.

I was under the impression (and it's the medias fault ) that LAN was slower because of the wires vs speed of light through the air?
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It's not. Wireless has problems in that the equipment has to take the signal (which is originally electric and coming on a wire from the source, like a computer processor), convert it, broadcast it, convert it back on the other end, etc. All that adds latency, particularly the part where you broadcast it because only so many things can be broadcasting at once and if there's other people using the same thing, you'll have to wait your turn.

Electrical wires transfer slower, but they have a more dedicated path to where they're going, have simpler conversions, and so on. Plus they can be fiber optic, which means they're using light anyway. My home internet is actually a fiber line coming directly into my house, which gets converted inside. I can connect to that using Gigabit Ethernet (1000Mbps) or Wifi (~110Mbps, though in reality I rarely get that due to interference). The actual Internet connection is 80Mbps, but I could bump that to 170 with a 5 minute phone call and $15/month. It's so fast that I can buy and download a game from Steam faster than I can drive to the store, let alone buying it and driving back (and finding it in stock!).

The Ethernet LAN connection is ALWAYS faster because there is no interference and no multiple devices fighting over the ability to use the signal. It's also impractical in some cases, which is what makes Wifi so great.

Reply #35 Top

Thanks the family has been talking about getting cable so... Yea Comcast and LAN. I'll throw some green at them and get set up as a priority one client. And if I'm lucky when the game is out I can play as the Braettian civ and blast some Yor! Thanks, companys will lie to me but fatefully you guys know alot.

I think galciv3 should be fully released on Wardell Day!

Reply #36 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31

Can my phone do that for the laptop? and here's a fun fact. I confirmed my tethering speed was 15kbps! And some dish nation employees told me there internet sucks and should get Comcast.

but if it is possible to get fast internet for my phone(its the core of my tech life) and tether it to my laptop?

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These speeds are to slow. That is your problem. Tethering that speed won't speed it enough.

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31

I really am a mobile person(21 century rocks!).

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I thought of doing this in the past because I'm cheap. I wanted to hack internet over a regular phone into my laptop. If you want speed then a modem would be better for speed your phone company will charge you more for a slower one than an internet provider.

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31

My laptop dose have one LAN port though I don't use it for internet that often in fear that a virus will corrupt my writing,

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I feel your point on this dealing with viruses it at least keeps you on your toes. The internet security packages doesn't make it easy by declaring all free or things that wont pay them money to be safe, or ligit sites that work like viruses. Forcing you to turn features off because they won't allow you on sites that won't pay you money especially if you want to download free mods for a game.

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31

I have MANY backups so IF LAN is good in your book it is in mine to.

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Don't forget to download microsoft security essentials or Avg antivirus if you don't want ro pay for one. It is important to go into your control panel after you do this to make sure that windows and your internet security aren't doing some of the same things. This will happen with the firewall. If you don't want to use a virus checker(which is not recommended anywhere) then turn on windows defender or make sure it is on. Your computer company that you bought your computer from probably gave you a demo which will expire and not work.

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31

(viruses come from exotic sites alot... so its easy to use my replaceable phone and not my laptop .)

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What are you talking about. Are you saying this game is an app for the smartphone or are you saying there is a phone version of this game.

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31


I was under the impression (and it's the medias fault ) that LAN was slower because of the wires vs speed of light through the air?

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Silly media everyone knows wires don't slow down the speed of light. It can't be changed its constant. I think that they are trying to say that you can't go light speed through a whire. I say pick up a book. Last I checked land lines are fasted because wired are more stable than communication in the air. This information is ten years old, so if I'm wrong please correct. Please comment if land lines are more stable than wireless.This idea is as silly as suggesting a hard wired chip is intelligent enough to worry about a date change like this one day it is December 31 1999 then the next day is January 1 1900, so I;m going to shut down.

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31


I can never give enough karma to you all.
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Thank you.

Reply #37 Top

Yea am not tethering anymore, I don't know of a mobile version. But to be honest I use my phone for porn, not my laptop...mostly.

I did see on a nova documentary on super computers that the speed of light through fiber optic cable was faster than copper wire by some nano seconds. And...memory failure...something was faster than that by a few nano seconds. Then there was micowave signals or tight beam transmissions being a bit faster. But that was all for wall street investors fyi.

so yea I'm a get this fixed. Thanks again admiral.

Reply #38 Top

When I read about your problems, I remember how I installed Orange Box on dialup...

Reply #39 Top

How fast is Russian internet rudy_102?

Reply #40 Top

When was the last time you ventilated your room?

Reply #41 Top

Your only making me more curious.

Reply #42 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 41

Your only making me more curious.
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My what making you more curious?

Reply #43 Top

Fine no more questions smart ass. Lol.

Reply #44 Top

How costly would it be to make a memory stick or something with the game and sending it around to people like OP? Hell, you could make it an option for founders edition, they are paying extra anyway ;) 

If speed is the issue and not money, you should take advantage of that ^^

Reply #45 Top

Quoting sjaminei, reply 44

How costly would it be to make a memory stick or something with the game and sending it around to people like OP? Hell, you could make it an option for founders edition, they are paying extra anyway  

If speed is the issue and not money, you should take advantage of that ^^
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Scandalous I like it first someone would have to register the game and download it into their computer. Then copy about 2 gigs on the lash drive then send it to anyone who don't have a game, or do you mean adding this as an install option so you could use this on multiple computers. How would this affect download speeds from the internet.

Reply #46 Top

Only hardcore, only dialup! Talk is cheap - prove you LOVE this game!

Reply #47 Top

Okay I'd just thought I'd jump into the pot... :P

I won't through speed rate at anyone as that was already pointed out many times of how it works.  Here is what is available for most area's with different carriers in US.

Google Fiber 1 Gbps $70/mnth  KC and Austin Area Only  (High Quality Ultra HD/HD streaming, Multiple Gaming, Many users in home)

Cable Top 100 Mbps  $90/mnth  Select areas depending on provider   (High Quality HD Streaming, Multiple Gaming, Many users in home)

High end Phone Fiber 75 Mbps $75/mnth  Select areas depending on provider    (High Quality HD Streaming, Multiple Gaming, Many users in home)

Middle High end Cable/Phone Fiber  20-50 Mbps  $50-$60 Available in most areas    (HD Streaming, Gaming, Multiple users in home)

Middle Low end Cable 10-20 Mbps  $40 Available in most areas    (Streaming video, Gaming, Single user in home)

Low end DSL/High end 4G  3-6 Mbps  Rates vary, Available in most areas    (General web browsing/Email)

Dial-up 56 kbps (compression bonus maybe gets you a few hundred kbps)  Free-$20 Available in most areas where other options aren't.  (Need Connection when nothing else available)

 

Reply #48 Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 45


Scandalous I like it first someone would have to register the game and download it into their computer. Then copy about 2 gigs on the lash drive then send it to anyone who don't have a game, or do you mean adding this as an install option so you could use this on multiple computers. How would this affect download speeds from the internet.
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I meant those small USB thingies, so no Internet speed issue whatsoever. The collectors edition of Diablo 3 had the first Diablo game in a skullshaped one, but OP probably doesn't need it to be that fancy. Optional with extra cost then people can decide for themselves if it's worth it it or not ;-) 

 

Something that small could be sent quick as a normal letter, so should be easy to deliver as well. 

 

 

Reply #49 Top

That is a awesome idea. But I'm getting better internet regardless. Mailing flash drives would have little cost and could be sold directly from stardock.

Reply #50 Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 49

That is a awesome idea. But I'm getting better internet regardless. Mailing flash drives would have little cost and could be sold directly from stardock.
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I don't think it is that easy. I know a game dependent on Steam can be bought at a retail store and installed with the bulk of the game being on the CD. That is how I got Civ V. But in order for it to work, the Steam client code was on the CD, was the first part installed, and knew what your key code was (or you had to enter it manually). There had to be something else on the CD to recognize that the game code was coming from the CD and not over the net. That last little piece would have to be understood and mimicked to successfully allow one buyer to help another buyer get the base code installed without using the internet for the download. I also don't think StarDock is willing to go to the expense of packaging Flash Drives to sell by mail.

Then there are the many updates involved with an alpha/beta test cycle, with new builds as often as one per week (perhaps more often).

DARCA, I am glad to hear you are solving your internet speed problem so that you will not be faced with all of the mish-mash trying to load/upgrade without reasonable internet speed you would otherwise have during the alpha/beta.