Will Start8 Survive Windows 8.1 I Wonder?

I hear rumours galore about Microsoft bringing back the Start button in 8.1, but as for the Start Menu, the jury seems to be out on that one so far.

I also heard a rumour that Microsoft have disabled a rival product StartIsBack in leaked builds.

You guys probably know more than I do regarding this and are well-prepared for all eventualities but any comments would be appreciated.

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It's quite obvious that if Windows 8.1 has a proper Start Button + Start Menu, the demand for Start8 specifically will not be as intense.

That said, the profile of the Stardock company has been raised, and the solutions Stardock offers constitute quite an extensive range (and their purchase is worth it to anyone interested in improving and enhancing using Windows). So my guess is that Stardock will do better overall, simply because more people know about it.

LS

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I use Start8 and other software from Stardock already I should have added.

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It may well be the case that some other products have been broken by changes in Windows 8.1.

I believe Start8 works fine on the builds and hopefully this will remain the case.

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I think, based on reports that Start8 will continue to offer a real start button rather than a gelded one. 

The new Start Button is expected to look nearly identical to the existing Windows flag used in the Charm bar, but will act as merely as a method to access the Start ScreenThe Verge reported.

If this report is true, people wanting a real Windows 7 style start menu will need Start8. The one from MS is a mere token offering to those who have complained about no start menu in the Desktop mode.

I love Start8 and will continue using it.

Reply #6 Top

I don't understand how it can work, as the new start button will be in the same place as the Start8 button and will be hard coded into 8.1. Maybe when the preview is out things will be clearer?

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I heard it will be invisible until one hovers over it and there certainly wont be any Win 7 style Start Menu.   Let's wait and see what happens.,

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It looks now that there will be  Start Button in Windows 8.1 (Blue) .. but no Start Menu !

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/microsoft-provides-first-look-windows-81

How this pans out is still to be seen, but it looks like there will continue to be a need for Start8 (for anyone who wants both).

I'm not predicting the future, but just for that reason, I think Start8 will still have some tread come the autumn (or thereabouts) when Windows 8.1 goes RTM.

LS

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I do believe that Stardock will grow it's user base; their product is far superior to the pre-ported 8.1

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It looks like all could be OK for how Start8 would work on 8.1, on the latest info on 8.1 it now shows that the new start button is just an always on in the bottom corner start logo and is NOT actually part of the taskbar. 

This means Start8 could still remain on the taskbar and remain as is, but perhaps the taskbar would need to be moved to the top of the screen instead to keep it neat (I do this already).

 

This is how the new Start logo is going to be done - only visible on desktop or when the app panel is open (and only in the bottom left corner).

 

Latest info.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/microsoft-provides-first-look-windows-81

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/30/4377214/windows-8-1-preview-features-screenshots

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/30/microsoft-windows-8-1-unveiled/

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/microsoft-provides-first-look-windows-81

http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/05/30/placeholder-title/?fromcat=all

http://mashable.com/2013/05/30/windows-8-1-features/

http://techreport.com/news/24878/windows-8-1-start-button-boot-to-desktop-mode-confirmed

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The reports appear to confirm the Windows 8.1 Desktop there will in fact offer a 'Start Button' on the Task Bar, but it will be functionally identical to the current 'Hot Corner' toggling you to the Modern UI i.e. no Start Menu functionality will be offered...

So, while it appears there will in fact be a button, and there will be an option to auto-boot to the Desktop again this hardly supplants the raison d'être for Start8... What may be a challenge is how Start8 integrates with the Start Button Microsoft rolls on 8.1, personally I hope that it can just be disabled and we can continue to use Start8 just as it operates now.

One good bit of news for both products is the boot to Desktop support in 8.1 means we won't need the additional service, Start8.1 should be able to install as a true 64-bit application on Windows 8.1 and do so with a lighter registry and file payload. 

Summarily: Start8, or Start8.1 will be as necessary as ever for anyone that prefers or needs the full utility of the Windows Desktop paradigm on Windows 8.1; as well, even those that may prefer the Modern UI but require the unhampered utility of the original Desktop Interface will still benefit from Start8/8.1 (or whatever it might be called)...

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If the new Start Button is just like the 'hot corner' currently at the lower left corner, I presume Start8 will be configured to switch this off, like

hot corners are selectable now?

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I have a feeling that Microsoft may be doing their usual "demanding" on this one and when Windows 8.1 comes out I'm going to be very wary of allowing it to upgrade.

It is clear that despite end users wishes for a proper Start Menu in Windows 8 - Microsoft have ignored this request and are just putting a start button on which takes you back into the Start Screen.  To me that is a pain in the backside and useless as most of the time I use multiple programs on the desktop and I don't want the entire screen covered up just so I can use another program and then have to go back into the desktop time and time again.  I want a simple small menu at the side that I can just click the windows icon and load an extra program into the main screen, just like Start8 does, and like Linux has done for years.  Even Android has a menu system at the bottom left that shows previously run programs and allows you to easily switch between the various ones without taking over the entire screen on the Motorola Xoom, so I don't know how Microsoft are trying to make it more like a "tablet" with this new start screen.

Anyway in the past any technology that Microsoft has disagreed with has been stopped by Windows.  The biggest one was back in Windows 95 - Bleem the Playstation Emulator was working fine, although Sony was a bit annoyed that it was a program that was able to run the same software that the Playstation could (even though it wasn't actually based on their code so when they took Bleem to court they found out they couldn't do  them as it wasn't using a PSX rom it was just doing similar things to a PSX - like WINE in Linux).  Then Microsoft released Windows 98 and for some strange reason when you tried to run any version of Bleem in Windows 98 you got a message from Microsoft stating this program is incompatible and cannot run.  Very strange how that specific program was purposefully blocked by Microsoft and I wonder how much Sony paid MS for doing that?  Of course it was at that point that the Bleem developers realised they were fighting a losing battle (not to mention the amount of money they were wasting keep fighting Sony in the courts even though Sony were losing all the time) they called it a day and so possibly the best Playstation Emulator came to an end.

So is Microsoft trying this trick again, they don't want the start menu, they don't want people to have access to a start menu, so let's put a start button in the way and block all these programs that create Start Menus.  But why do that to the end consumer?  Is it just that Microsoft are really arrogant and think we've got this new idea and we want to force our ideas on to you regardless of whether you like it or hate it - they did that with Microsoft Office and the awful "ribbons" which is why I switched to OpenOffice - at least in OpenOffice I know where my file, edit, view, insert menus, etc are instead of playing for 30 minutes a game of hunt for the correct ribbon.

Also is this "Start" hint going to be always on top of the desktop - if so that's going to be such a nuisance, especially if it's still the same size it is currently when it pops up.  It's a lot bigger than the taskbar or start menu and having that taking over part of the screen is just going to be such a distraction and nuisance (I have ADHD so anything like that can be a real distraction), the taskbar and old start menu/start8 start menu isn't that bad a destraction because it blends in and isn't too big, but the start hint is an awful purple cube that takes over a massive corner of the screen.

One thing I do realise is Microsoft is run by Bill Gates who, like me, has Asperger's Syndrome, and people with Asperger's Syndrome do have a tendency to try and enforce their view on other people and find it hard to understand why the other people don't get it.  The only other thing that doesn't make any sense though is also people with Asperger's are resilient to change, so even though clearly he is trying to enforce his view on everyone that you must use the start screen and like it, why has he changed the OS so much to make other people with Asperger's absolutely despise it and do all he can to prevent software that creates things like Start menus from working.  I could understand it if Windows 8 couldn't work with a Start Menu because of the way it's programmed without some major overhauling, but it can and your program proves that.

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Thanks for all the updates.  Yes I trust that Stardock will come through - they usually do.

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Apparently the new 8.1 'Start Button' is a hover affair that only appears when you hover in the lower right corner of the screen (in 'Desktop Mode') and has to receive  a second click to toggle to the 'Start Screen' -- article here... The thing looks to be roughly the same dimensions and aesthetic as used by Start8 now but will also overlap running and pinned apps on the Task Bar:

 

This suggest several approaches that could be employed for a Start8.1 to cooperatively run with the new Microsoft 'Start Button', depending on how onerous an approach Microsoft has taken to limiting the use of third-party Start Menu apps from running -- these could include:

·  Locked in place Start Button just like Start8 is now, that disables Microsoft's new button (if possible)

·  A Start Button that overlays or sits next to the new 8.1 Start Button

·  A Start Menu that repurposes Microsoft's new 8.1 button and possibly offers the option of locking it to 'always on'

It will be interesting when we finally hear from Stardock; hopefully they're getting ahead of the game and are playing with the leaked betas, some that already have and are using Classic Shell's 'Classic Start' and claim they have gotten it to work but do not detail just how this co-operates with the new start button..

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Quoting 101459, reply 16

Apparently the new 8.1 'Start Button' is a hover affair that only appears when you hover in the lower right corner of the screen (in 'Desktop Mod') and has to receive  a second click to toggle to the 'Start Screen' -- article here... The thing looks to be roughly the same dimensions and aesthetic as used by Start8 now but will also overlap running and pinned apps on the Task Bar:

 

This suggest several approaches that could be employed for a Start8.1 to cooperatively run with the new Microsoft 'Start Button', depending on how onerous an approach Microsoft has taken to limiting the use of third-party Start Menu apps from running -- these could include:

·  Locked in place Start Button just like Start8 is now, that disables Microsoft's new button (if possible)

·  A Start Button that overlays or sits next to the new 8.1 Start Button

·  A Start Menu that repurposes Microsoft's new 8.1 button and possibly offers the option of locking it to 'always on'

It will be interesting when we finally hear from Stardock; hopefully they're getting ahead of the game and are playing with the leaked betas, some that already have and are using Classic Shell's 'Classic Start' and claim they have gotten it to work but do not detail just how this co-operates with the new start button..
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I do not believe a version with the button has leaked.

But I would be surprised if Start8 did not work just fine with it.  From what I have heard the button will be optional and off by default.  Start8 should work fine with the leaked builds.

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I sure hope Start8 DOES survive W8.1 -- since it offers a LOT more than just a "button".

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Will start 8.1 be free for already existing users or will I need to purchase another license?

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Quoting Assassin3080, reply 22

Will start 8.1 be free for already existing users or will I need to purchase another license?
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Funny. <_<

Reply #24 Top

Updates have been free thus far, I don't see why this should be any different.

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I have just loaded Windows 8.1 preview and Start8 is not working properly,  clicking the flag does nothing,  the start menu can be accessed with it but right down in the bottom corner almost impossible to reach.  Pressing Windows key works but with a finger, mouse or stylus I have not found an easy way yet.

NicW