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Something that's always bothered me since the days of Elemental: why can't I threaten the AI with war unless they pay me X gold? If the AI is able to do this, why aren't we given this option as well? If there is a way to do this that I just don't see, please enlighten me.
step 1) declare war
step 2) sue for peace (with them paying you gold)
yes, its not exactly the best option, as you can get diplo penalties for the declaration.... but still ...
Yeah. It'd be nice to threaten the AI in the same way they do it to me! Kinda unfair right now.
tbh i think its pointless
if you are stronger than ai why wiould you want to receive a % reward than you would get just attacking it?
thats also some deep philosophy question about diplomacy in any war game
why would anyone want to do anything else but war?
truth is the strongest army should just attack always and everyone else either ally each other or try to get peace
in the end it would be the same for each ally, the strongest should attack always and the weaker should get more ally or try to avoid war
in the end i think ths is a major flaw in any diplomacy
it just makes no sense to me, diplomacy in real life exist cause a war is bad
cause lifes at stakes are real
cause presidents deciding about war are elected by soldiers fighting the war
in a game its not like that, wars are meaningless, you dont lose real ppl so why should a game try to simulate the fear for dead lives?
Because there may be real strategic reasons why you don't want to start a war at the moment, but you may have need of extra cash or resources. Not only should you be able to demand a gold tribute, but you should be able to demand a fixed or recurring amount of a resource as well. Think of it as "I need metal to fund my war machine against Tarth. So you, Altar, must give me .5 metal per turn or I'll declare war on you instead."
Brad said diplomacy AI hasn't gotten much love yet. I hope when it does the diplomacy options are fleshed out as well.
its the same
if there are good reasons to not attack then your opponent "should" know it and so know its not much worth for you to attack and so he would have no need to pay you
its a binary situation, you either can or cannot defeat him
its also different from civ since civ is trying to similate the real world where civilizations declaring war are not loved by others
The United States could clearly kick the crap out of Iran, but doesn't for a host of reasons. Instead it tries to threaten, cajole, and bribe Iran to give up its nuke program. My Kingdom may be clearly superior to the one I'm threatening, but preoccupied with another war. Does that mean I couldn't still kill the kingdom I'm threatening? Probably not. It just means I want to keep my reserves ready in case my current war goes badly. Or in case a wandering Ash Drake eats one of my invading armies. Or in case of any number of contingencies.
Diplomacy is never a binary situation. It's about subtlety, manipulation, and an individual kingdom's risk aversion. Any game diplomacy system that doesn't try to replicate that is a failure.
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