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PsiTech

PsiTech

Hey all,

I'm trying to work on a personal fanfic project of mine. The things I personally find hardest to explain are the Vasari's Ancient Enemy and the Advents use of PsiTech. In regards to the PsiTech I want to explain why it works in a way other than "it just does." My personal thoughts on this so far is that each Advent has a an implant in the back of their head which connects them to the rest of the Unity (hence their collective mentality) This would still leave their brains untouched leaving room for the individuals creativity and ingenuity. The "Silent Ones" are simply Advent who's implants malfunctioned or just didn't take. As to how this works I haven't been able to figure any logical thing out yet. If you have any suggestions or thoughts on either it'd be much appreciated. 

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 25
Whiskey please defragment your brain and restart. 
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#:(

I have no idea why you're saying this. There's also the slight issue that a brain cannot be defragmented or rebooted.

Reply #27 Top

lol since we are discussing science Fiction and not your fragmented reality lol--  You should read up on some scifi to see how biotech has been applied.

 

Species 8472

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_8472

 

Technology Section

 

Your confused when u start mixing scifi with reality. Otherwise i'm still recommending a full brain defragmentation. I know it will take some time but you can't be stubborn about it. NO pain-no gain. 

Reply #28 Top
Oh well, I enjoyed the result.
Reply #29 Top

Bio-Ships

Wraith Hive Ship; Stargate Atlantis

Cylone Raider: Battlestar Galactica

Robotech: Invid Ships

Earth Final Conflic Tv Series: Taelon Mothership

Farscape Tv series: Moya

Babylon 5 Tv series; The vorlon and Shadow ships

Mass Effect; Leviathan of Dis

Galactic Civilization 2: The titular Dread Lords are a species of bioships

 

 

Reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioship#On_film

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioship#In_gaming

 

 

I think a distinction has to be made between telepathy and telepathic devices with regards to psi-tech.

While telepathy involves ways of communicating without the use of physical means through the sharing of ones feelings/ thoughts then:

Telepathic devices use the vibrations of waves to communicate over large distances. Some also generate electro energy from thermal energy in the air. A good example of such simple devices is radio receivers also know as Crystal Radios (hint hint) that send out waves or receive based on their applications. Psi-tech base foundation  could be waves and the creation of energy from ones body. 

 

 

Reply #30 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
not your fragmented reality
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Please, elaborate on why my reality is fragmented. I'm interested in what you have to say.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
You should read up on some scifi to see how biotech has been applied.
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DID YOU NOT READ MY POSTS?! I explicitly mentioned a setting that had biotechnological spacecraft- that of Peter F. Hamilton's Night's Dawn Trilogy- which features several high-profile biological vessels.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
since we are discussing science Fiction
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Exactly. We are discussing science fiction in general. My problem is that the majority of science fiction that depicts biotechnological constructs either is mediocre in general, or descends into what is derisively termed 'biowank'- as the author ascribes no negative aspects to the biotech constructs, while always making them strictly superior to synthetic, manufactured systems.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
Species 8472

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_8472

 

Technology Section
End of RiddleKing's quote

Don't put forth Star Trek as a good example of biotech showcasing- '8472 is a case of strict biowank, nothing more nothing less. Instead, you should have pointed out (despite me already mentioning it) the Night's Dawn Trilogy- while some of NDT's biotech is a little wanky, it's all presented in a well-thought, consistent manner- and bioships are much more vulnerable to things like concentrated radiation bursts (a 'voidhawk', as they are termed in NDT, is killed by a scrammed antimatter pod that was within several hundred kilometers).

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
Your confused when u start mixing scifi with reality.
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No, I"m perfectly lucid when it comes to science fiction, reality, and the distinctions between the two. For example, I pointed out the deficiencies that a real-life attempt at a bioship construct would have to overcome, the inherent superiority of synthetic, non-organic systems IRL, as well as the fact that logically advancing technologies would render any type of biological warship obsolete before it left the drawing board- erm, the breeding pen?- unless, of course, you have sufficiently advanced technology that you can build a bioship for shits&giggles.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
Otherwise i'm still recommending a full brain defragmentation.
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Moron. See, I can play that game too.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
I know it will take some time but you can't be stubborn about it.
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You don't know me at all. I can be extremely stubborn.

I will ONCE AGAIN point out that biotechnological constructs are often inherently inferior to their synthetic, inorganic contemporaries. A motorcycle is better than a horse- it can go faster, farther, and with no fuss; it will not get tired, buck you off, or give you attitude. It's a machine- and it will do what you want it to do, so long as you have the appropriate skillset to exploit the vehicle.

The analogy can be extended to many things.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 27
NO pain-no gain. 
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I'm sorry, but you're not making any sense. Please try again.

 

Whiskey144, we're done here.

Reply #31 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 29
Bio-Ships

Wraith Hive Ship; Stargate Atlantis

Cylone Raider: Battlestar Galactica

Robotech: Invid Ships

Earth Final Conflic Tv Series: Taelon Mothership

Farscape Tv series: Moya

Babylon 5 Tv series; The vorlon and Shadow ships

Mass Effect; Leviathan of Dis

Galactic Civilization 2: The titular Dread Lords are a species of bioships
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First off:

The ME-verse Leviathan of Dis has too little information about it- in-universe, the info is suspect, and out-of-universe, there's flat-out too little. Ergo, it's inconclusive.

B5: Vorlon&Shadow vessels are marginally more capable than their Younger Race brethren. This actually illustrates my point- the millions of years tech gap between Vorlons/Shadows and the YR allows Vorlon/Shadow bioships to be marginally superior.

I bet if they built metal ships they'd be wiping the floor with the YR.

Secondly, JUST WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE? That biotech is present in fiction? That in certain settings it's prominent and powerful?

I haven't denied any of this- what I do deny is the idea that advanced biotech, particularly in the form of bioships, equates to hyper-advancement. So hypothetical hyper-civilization "The Empire of Zorgulon III" can build bioships that are worth three of the battlecruisers of neighboring Commonwealth of Beta-Abdut XI. I bet EZ3 could build metal bawks ships that are worth six CBA9 battlecruisers. Probably more, in fact.

Finally, you have yet to answer my objections to a biological space warship. How are you going to give it power, without resorting to an answer that amounts to "a wizard did it", or that involves copious amounts of nonsensical technobabble? How are you going to deal with the intense radiation flux (which living things in general are pathetically vulnerable to) of the vacuum? How are you going to get rid of the intense heat that will build up in even the normal, day-to-day operations of the ship?

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 29
Telepathic devices use the vibrations of waves to communicate over large distances. Some also generate electro energy from thermal energy in the air. A good example of such simple devices is radio receivers also know as Crystal Radios (hint hint) that send out waves or receive based on their applications. Psi-tech base foundation  could be waves and the creation of energy from ones body. 
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This reeks of pseudoscience. I demand that you produce evidence that a telepathic device acts in such a manner.

Reply #32 Top

Whiskey144, RiddleKing, go get your own thread.

@ OP: Drug use is mentioned in the Advent lore and some other fiction writers have used it as well (aka Dune series). Certain drugs can enhance say reaction time or concentration upon certain tasks or abilities such as electrical energy flow. Nanobots can also be used this way if you don't want to use drugs.

Reply #33 Top

As i have already suggested -- it is best to adopt defragmentation than just ignoring it altogether. You just end up belding hyprocracy , superiorism and a bad tastes for others peoples views based on scifi. I've yet to see anything new from you than questioning other peoples ideas with jiba jaba lol. Wizarding it is scifi donkey kon. :rofl:  Again with the reality complex. Check this one out from bio-ships in Star_trek: electrodynamic fluid circulatory system that provides power for a ship: Or Green Gue haha.. Is green gue a cause for concern?

 

Anyone else want to wizard up some Scifi... ? I think it frustrates whiskey

Anyhow to prove u wrong once again about telepathic devices so u can prove the author who wrote this wrong, and the mother who gave birth to him-wrong etc down to the whole concept of science and science fiction:

http://prism.20fr.com/telepathy.htm

 

Always feeding responses with other peoples ideas and over analyzing. sad. Now i could recommend bio defragmentation. Now i know what your thinking ( whats with this bio-crap). The problem is your fragmented brain is not open enough to be of any use by explaining simple things in exploded proportions. 

Bio-Fragmentation:

Find the nearest pharmacy or supplements shops and look for brain supplements:

You could always google it. E.g Omega 3, gingko biloba etc etc

They help to clear your mind. Chocolate too. Don't ask me how this one works.. google it damn it

Reply #34 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 33
electrodynamic fluid circulatory system that provides power for a ship:
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Meaningless technobabble. TRY AGAIN.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 33
You just end up belding hyprocracy , superiorism and a bad tastes for others peoples views based on scifi. I've yet to see anything new from you than questioning other peoples ideas with jiba jaba lol.
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Or, maybe, I consider the concept that biological ships are inherently superior to metal ones due solely to being biological- and NOT due to any tangible technological superiority, FLAT OUT STUPID.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 33
Again with the reality complex.
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LOLWUT?

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 33
Anyhow to prove u wrong once again about telepathic devices so u can prove the author who wrote this wrong, and the mother who gave birth to him-wrong etc down to the whole concept of science and science fiction:
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Why would the author being wrong make his mother wrong, or the concept of science/science fiction wrong?

It only makes the author wrong. Don't be stupid.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 33
The problem is your fragmented brain is not open enough to be of any use by explaining simple things in exploded proportions. 
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"An open mind is like a fortress with its' gate unbarred and unguarded."

"A narrow view sees better."

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 33
Bio-Fragmentation:

Find the nearest pharmacy or supplements shops and look for brain supplements:

You could always google it. E.g Omega 3, gingko biloba etc etc

They help to clear your mind. Chocolate too. Don't ask me how this one works.. google it damn it
End of RiddleKing's quote

I'm perfectly fine.

Reply #35 Top

Well done , you've shortened your answers. Thats good. Im proud of you. Now i was thinking we should make our own thread as Ryat has already said. That way you can blow up if u want with the answers and have a laugh too. It will be great. I promise. Just go on ahead and make the thread. I'll be right behind you.

My responses to you are feeding you and vice versa.. we should do it else where. Its for the benefit of the thread. U understand don't u now son?

 

 

Reply #36 Top

Your patronizing attitude is offensive, faggot.

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 35
U understand don't u now son?
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This in particular is excessively offensive, faggot. You do not call me 'son'- I am not your son, I am not anywhere near being your son, and we are not on the kind of terms that I would permit you to call me 'son'.

 

Whiskey144, we're done here. And RiddleKing is being a faggot.

Reply #37 Top

Hello Nate i'm someone who has looked into the Advent lore for quite some time and I think I can help you.

 

Psitech is the technology that the advent use to enhance their psychic potential. They use a device that is connected to the back side of their skulls(look at my avatar for an example). Most likely this device connects through the Occipital lobe of the brain because that part of the brain serves as the primary visual cortex for us humans(Would also explain their whited out eyes).

 

Psi-integrates are persons of the Advent faith who have been integrated into a ship even a structure to serve as a sort of flesh AI system. They are common in Disciple Frigates and theAeria Drone Host(For which they control their Anima which I would assume are the strike craft they control. However it is possible anima is another word for Psi-integrate)

 

Scryers are power of psychics they are what I would assume are the seat of Government for the Coalescences of the Advent factions. They have great clairvoyant abilities being able to scry planets using this Clairvoyance as well as detect incoming enemy ships. In my own lore I have persons known as Scryer Primaries which are the second in commands! I would also assume most Scryers are males but this is only from judging through the icons in the Perception tree, but like I said that is just assumption(Also I wanted in my lore world for males to have a niche in Advent society).

 

Oh and just a correction unless your definition of silent ones is one you created for your own SINS world. Silent ones are actually people in Advent society who CANNOT emit psychic powers. I would assume their brain chemistry is different then most other Advent. They are generally shunned by Advent society, but im not sure what they define as shunned.

Reply #38 Top

If you were in the unity then the others would have heard those strong thoughts about me across the stars-and i don't think mother goose would approve.

 

And so the sons and daughters of the advent use PsiTech to extend their faith in the Unity.  Whether their life span is hindered by the use of neural chemicals and artificial implants  is also something to consider because we already know the use of PsiTech changes advent physiology by their pale skin and white eyes. One thing is clear though and that they have increased creativity through the sharing of ideas in the collective mind state ("or the sea of ideas as mention in the advent wiki") which proves the pace of technology advancement was increased to the point the current advent technology rivals that of the vasari apart from phase technology.

While gender plays a role in who are the strongest in psychic warfare among their casts then i don't know how lesbians and faggots perform with regard to their genders. Does a faggot become stronger because of having female traits or is a lesbian weakened by having male traits?

 

reference:

https://www.sinsofasolarempire.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Advent 

 

 

Reply #39 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 38
While gender plays a role in who are the strongest in psychic warfare among their casts then i don't know how lesbians and faggots perform with regard to their genders. Does a faggot become stronger because of having female traits or is a lesbian weakened by having male traits?
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o_o

What you did. It's there, and I see it.

Seriously though, while I may have insulted you by saying "you are acting like a faggot", I would never call a homosexual male a 'faggot'. A queer, maybe. A faggot, no. If you're going to use the sociopolitically correct term for a homosexual female, why wouldn't you use the correct term for a homosexual male?

That being said, your premise is flawed. At present, there is no definitive and/or conclusive evidence that genetics and homosexuality are related- and sexual orientation would logically have no effect on psychic abilities, unless an individual undergoes some kind of gender reassignment procedure.

Reply #40 Top

It's a word you should really cleanse from your vocabulary Whiskey, at least on a semi-reputable site like this. Don't make this a argument over political correctness either, some people could be offended by it (I certainly find it distasteful), and that is certainly enough for a moderator to lock this thread should they see it.

Reply #41 Top

Quoting Whiskey144, reply 39
That being said, your premise is flawed. At present, there is no definitive and/or conclusive evidence that genetics and homosexuality are related- and sexual orientation would logically have no effect on psychic abilities, unless an individual undergoes some kind of gender reassignment procedure.
End of Whiskey144's quote

Then take that up with Ironclad. They wrote in their lore that women generally have more psychic abilities. Riddleking is merely quoting them in this case.

Reply #42 Top

Quoting Ryat, reply 41
Then take that up with Ironclad. They wrote in their lore that women generally have more psychic abilities. Riddleking is merely quoting them in this case.
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You misunderstand; I'm not saying that the premise that women have more psychic ability than men in SINS lore is flawed- I'm saying that RiddleKing's premise that a homosexual female less, and a homosexual male more, psychic ability than their gender normally would be subject to because they are homosexual, is flawed.

That's all.

Quoting GoaFan77, reply 40
It's a word you should really cleanse from your vocabulary Whiskey, at least on a semi-reputable site like this. Don't make this a argument over political correctness either, some people could be offended by it (I certainly find it distasteful), and that is certainly enough for a moderator to lock this thread should they see it.
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Sometimes my anger gets the better of me. I regret that.

 

 

Whiskey144, we're done here.

Reply #43 Top

Ok, I see you point.

Reply #44 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 38


While gender plays a role in who are the strongest in psychic warfare among their casts then i don't know how lesbians and faggots perform with regard to their genders. Does a faggot become stronger because of having female traits or is a lesbian weakened by having male traits?

End of RiddleKing's quote

 

It was actually a question when i put the *?* and thanks for answering it. Kudos :grin:

 

So why are females stronger Psychics? anyone want to take a guess or wizard something up? Is it hormonal or physiological?

Reply #45 Top

Your really stretching to make your points in this thread Whiskey. Sometimes it's ok to just stand down and not try to beat something into the bush.

 

Reply #46 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 44
So why are females stronger Psychics? anyone want to take a guess or wizard something up? Is it hormonal or physiological?
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I am guessing psychological. The way I see it is that on an individual ability (say anima drones or anti-matter stealing) men are superior. They have that ability to focus on that one ability, but at the expense at others. Women, on the other hand, due to their ability to do multi-tasking better are better in handling Psitech overall.

Reply #47 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 44


So why are females stronger Psychics? anyone want to take a guess or wizard something up? Is it hormonal or physiological?
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Boobs

Reply #48 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 44
So why are females stronger Psychics? anyone want to take a guess or wizard something up? Is it hormonal or physiological?
End of RiddleKing's quote

Could be physiological. Women have a more dense cluster of the membrane(cant recall the name) between the hemispheres of the brain which allows them to more quickly refocus after switching tasks. This is what gives rise to the popular stereotype of women being better multi-taskers. Conversely though, women due to this trait, have a lower propensity to concentrate on a single task and/or problem. So perhaps Psychic powers require the manipulation of multiple different externalities such that higher multi-tasking function naturally suits Pyshic abilities?

 

Before Anyone cries foul, I know I am intentionally trying to convolute real world brain science with Sci-Fi, but thats what makes it fun! Its all about taking what we know and then saying, What's the logical next step?

Reply #49 Top

Yeh, read something about wemen and concentration somewhere, Also read about wemens hightened emotions sometimes hinder that advantage altogether but are more open to think more broadly when its needed

. From the sound of how advent wemen speak its impossible to tell how they really are with personalities. "mercy is a weakness" They have a sense of cruelty and anger towards everything to be honest.

Could the advent be seeking revenge because of these heightened emotions other than their scarred psychic?

Psitech is gender bias

 

 

Reply #50 Top

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 44

Quoting RiddleKing, reply 38

While gender plays a role in who are the strongest in psychic warfare among their casts then i don't know how lesbians and faggots perform with regard to their genders. Does a faggot become stronger because of having female traits or is a lesbian weakened by having male traits?



 

It was actually a question when i put the *?* and thanks for answering it. Kudos

 

So why are females stronger Psychics? anyone want to take a guess or wizard something up? Is it hormonal or physiological?
End of RiddleKing's quote

 

Being gay is a feeling it doesent mean you are not a male, it doesent mean you are not a female. If you are a girl/woman/transgender girl turned man you are still a woman.