Sinperium, I think most of these guys only play locked team games and not FFA (they're not the ones backstabbing you).  It must be pretty sad to sit out there, alone on the sidelines, playing against the AI because you're afraid of the pros.

Maybe he's not afraid of the pros so much as he doesn't like the MP community as it is right now, with the 'pros' doing everything within their power to drive away the new blood? You ever consider that?

Sinperium's scenario doesn't exclude locked team games. Even then, people will still judge where they think you stand and sometimes urge you to do this or that. Sometimes it's good, sometimes not, etc etc.

Just telling people to come play multiplayer and insulting them for being cowards is not going to help matters.

I have a very strong interest in growing the multiplayer community, but we should both realize that, for those new to multiplayer, it often takes 30 to 50 or more games for them to actually start to understand what the heck's going on, to become halfway decent, to know enough about the game to have fun competing with others.

For many, this is understandably a prohibitively high cost to coming online in the first place. Tens of hours of playing, losing, and not understanding much is a problem.

It's nice that you're advertising multiplayer, but in my opinion it would be better if you did so without the condemnations, and it would be especially welcoming to them if you also mentioned you'd be willing to offer help or advice if they do decide to try their hand at ICO.

(Or direct them to someone else willing, or me, or something like that)

True, it's like not wanting to step out where there's a sniper, but your friend tells you, "What, you afraid of getting shot in the head? Don't be a pussy."

 

How about you play with other people except skilled players? Playing with people with similar skills to you shouldn't be too hard. After a few games with non-skilled players, you might be able to hold your own sooner or later against skilled opponents.That way you can then ignore what skilled players suggest you to do and start thinking yourself.

Theres nothing wrong in taking advice off skilled players, sometimes you may need to sacriface yourself to take a more skilled individual out of the game. A colony ship will always mean you stay alive and colonize another planet, at a much safer location.

He's been banned from ico more than once i think.

The problem is that something like 90 to 95% of those who come onto ICO are the regulars who will soundly beat a newer player any day of the week... and finding genuine non-smurfing newer players to play against can be difficult.

Those on ICO seem to be either friends playing comp stomps who can't be talked to, skilled regulars, or very bad noobs who play once or twice and never log on again. There are very few in the middle-skilled category from what I've seen.

 

Thanks for the replays.  I enjoyed them.

But Howdidudothat is right, your not "fairly new", thats pure BS.  And you and Quar stacked the teams while trying to act as noobs.  He's also right, that you are probably Siddy.

This is stupid. i could probably kick your asses if my ping wasn't so high and i bet u'd say im a smurf 2. Didn't he already say he had experience with rts games from starcraft to sup com so killing assailants first, bringing in his cap then killing ski-carrier makes him a smurf? or going eco to build an army calls him a smurf;; damn mouse clicking probably calls him a smurf in your handy book for ico players.

 

ICO Convention

RiddleKing, who's stupid?  Watch the replays yourself.  Then comment with some intelligence.

"O", this all sounds vaguely like Siddy.  And I know Siddy from way back too.  Either that, or BananaSpear (nice name) went through an awful lot of trouble to post all this.

Perhaps learning to read the whole post before commenting. How about that, SageWon? ICO is not, despite what you might think, the only online community that plays Sins. Also, i am not new to vanilla since, at all. Being new to ICO and not engaging this particular community dont make me stupid, or bad player. 

I might even regret getting on ICO, all this hot air is for nothing. The only reason i even bothered is because my many of the people i used to play with are missing or playing starcraft 2.

I noticed there is some casual players on ICO, and experienced players abuse them verbally to the point i wonder why they bother to log in anymore. It is not surprising that ICO is so small. That is said, not all new to ICO are casuals, stupid or new to the game or genre. So please, get over your smug sence of superiority and accept that other people also can:

1# read forums for tips and tricks

2# read description for what abilities and technologies do

3# can watch replays

4# do basic calculus. 

I know i cant beat 'experienced' player in early micro, yet. But dont tell me i cant do math and swamp even 'experienced' player with better economy.

And dont change the subject, this is still about how some players are being total asses to the new people. If you are new and suck, you never get to play with majority of people on ICO. If you so happen to even remotely know how to play, you get branded as name changer and become pariah who will be boycotted from games. Now, if you really were a name changer, you can go back to your old name, but new player dont have that option. And this is what puts them off.

 

As bananaspear has already truthfully said, for some of us replays and forums is all we have to recreating the way people play on ico. So yes, i probably watched the replays before u did so next time its best not to reply with an assumption.

No u r not stupid, In general the whole paranoia and insecurity towards smurfs is stupid. Oh-YEs, im very intelligent thank you very much..got this far (or u disagree?)

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For everybodys sake

Subject: racism

"If your good at this game from learning on replays and forums and want to participate in ICO games: be warned you will automatically be branded as a smurf: A pro regular player disguised as a newborn and be terrorized by random kicks."

 Yes its unfair- we working on it to solve the problem

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Can someone plz ask howthe to post us his 1on1 vs Siddy? ( Bet u he's hiding in a hole somewhere shocked his post has erupted like a violent volcano. Howthe, we all love u besides your racism against smurfs. Don't hide.. just entertain us plz with that 1on1 challenge? Its ok if u lose because its just a game. Oh and unban Siddy on ts-its best u do. U have to let go of all the hate and anger and clear your mind. Find peace my friend.  

Banana and riddle seem to be trying their best to unban someone that is at best marginally tolerated by his few friends.  One would ponder why they even care whether siddy is banned or not.  If they were not Siddy or DT themselves then why would they care whether or not Siddy is on their clan teamspeak.  It is somewhat suspicious that banana pitches himself as new to ICO but for all intents and purposes has no "skin in the game" to defend siddy.  Either they are DT smurf friends of siddy that don't want to be next on the chopping block in case how decides to "ban" more of his DT brethren or he is as people suggests, siddy himself.

 

[_]-Greyfox

It does sound a little off.

Smurff in-games, why not sock puppet in forums?

Without more evidence I really think we should be giving BananaSpear the benefit of the doubt. ICO has low enough player counts already, and there's a possibility he's genuinely new to ICO (though not to MP games). Without proof, all this attacking him that you guys are doing may just make it less likely for him to come onto ICO again.

The timing of his post attacking Howthe and his entrance into ICO is more than a bit coincidental with what happened with Siddy, but even still, as long as he doesn't degenerate into Siddy's obvious racism and idiocy we should still be treating BananaSpear with the respect that a pretty good player deserves.

Or you could tell people in chat that you are new but relatively skilled despite your low number of games... even so, I think the only people (person) who would actively kick you anyway would be Howthe, I don't know anyone else who loathes smurfs enough to kick them on sight.

I loathe them myself enough to kick them on sight if I had other options.  If I did however I would never get a game.

 

[_]-Greyfox

My involvement in this thread has nothing to do with this Siddy individual and everything to do how Howdidyoudothat behaved towards me on the first encounters we had.

 

If you can't understand that then there is little hope, apart of surgical intervention, that your head will be ever removed from your back side.

Then start your own thread about banning howthe? rather than quasi-defending siddy.  Siddy does not deserve defending.  If you knew him and truly are not him then you would likely agree.  From the sound if it there may be at least a few who might agree with you about how.  Personally I am usually on the fence about how myself.  I have seen him pretend not to know the DT smurfs on several occasions when it works in his favor but he does not smurf near as much himself as the other DT to my knowledge.

 

[_]-Greyfox

BananaSpear sounds like a 1st-class Jackass to me.

So, BananaSpear, how old are you?

Anyway... I say settle this with a good 'ole fashioned grudge match. I may be a former cop, but I like fights... why don't BananaSpear, howthe?, RiddleKing, and whoever else feels up to a fight log on to ICO and start a game with your choice of races on a random, huge map with pirates disabled? No excuses, no explanations, and no outside interference. And post the replays on here, for all to see.

How's that grab ya?

Greyfox, why start my own thread about this when existing one serves purpose just fine? I do not wish to get howthe? banned, i merely wish he changed his attitude a little. And from what i've seen so far, we are getting along just fine for now.

I would drop this thread if it wasn't for all the clowns crawling out of circus and speculate about my motives.

 

What are you talking about? 

If my appeal to community and my dissatisfaction of how you greet every new (not just me) player makes me jackass first class then so be it. However dont try resorton ad hominems when trying to argue your point.

 k.

So let me get this straight: Because of the low player counts on ico the current residents have created a monopoly and make it next to impossible to let anyone they don't know enter the market. They not only ignore fair competition but break the law by single handely kicking new entrants. 

They have adopted a "King of the hill position" and since ico remains small people have no choice but to choose to play with these monopoly demons"

As with all monopolies they want to make the highest profit possible-- in which translates the monopoly owners want to enjoy there games, when new entrants shift the balance of power and create a paradox in gameplay (whether weakening a team or strengthening it- they find that an equilibrium has been broken and the uncertainity creates a burning dent in the souls of these demons).

One has only to wonder what brought about such a monopoly: Was it DT? Was it Iron Clad? Or was it the stiff learning curve and lack of gameplay tutorials to help.

 

Regardless. the current situation needs to be addressed. 

 

Problems of Monopolies

1.The quality of products is not to standard and they can still sell them at a premium. Yes u have your Siddy's , your Howthe's smurf haters, racism, the flaming, the kicks and god knows what else- and u meet them all the time. 

2. Reduced satisfaction: People are just not happy about ICO! The i'll shit on your face not happy.

3.Increased Price: The price to join is so steep and u got to have played alot of games and know the players, host and admins. 

4.Disadvantages for the employees: because they have no where else to go: E.g DT -- members cursing at each other, bored to death and there facing one another day in, day out. Same crappy faces on ICO.  

 

How do u stop monopolies: A Higher authority has to intervene. 

 

"Remove the Kicking option"

"mute player"

"Embed cd key to stats and indicate player stats regardless of name"

"Make it easier to learn how to play by making it easier to watch replays and player stats on forums for each games and accessible at the start of each replay:

e.g Most produced units

e.g Researched items: In order of time"

e.g Produced units in order of Early, mid-game. late game. 

 

 

 @ JA JA BiNks: This is about siddy and howthe.. Stop changing the matchup. And i already said my ping is too high for ico for it to even let me login. If anyone should be duking it out its siddy and howthe (The mortal enemies of this debate). I wud love to whoop your ass though. " u cant beat my tec-or vasari-no freaking way " ( If u don't believe me, search your feelings")