Argonev Weapons Range

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Hello All,

 

As I was playing today I upgraded the weapons on the TEC starbase and noticed no difference in the range when pressing "ALT". I thought maybe the missile range (Extreme range) isn't shown and so I watched as enemies passed just oustide the range ring of the starbase but saw no damage dealt. Can anyone explain what is going on? Did the range actually change and I didn't pick up on it? Is this a bug? 

 

Merci!

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

Haven't built too many Argons, but in case of the Orkulus the "great increase in range" is in fact an increase of about 10%.

Is there any chance you simply didn't notice the effect, because you expected something lmawesome?

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

Yeah it could very well be. What I did was press alt while it leveled up and saw no change. If you have say a ship going into the range of the Akkan's range increase skill then you see the range ring jump right away. It's very noticeable so I figured the same effect would happen when the station upgrades. I saw no change though.

I also looked at the grids and ( by pressing alt and seeing where the ring touches the grid) waited until the upgrade was done and it didn't change from what I could tell.

 

I'll check some more in the morning but hopefully some other people can confirm.

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

I looked at the reference file and it gave me the following info:

beam weapons have a range of 6.500

lasers (standard weapons) have a range of 8.000

missiles (the long range and last tec weapons upgrade) have a range of 10.500

(by comparison: tec light frig has a range of 3.500, heavy cruiser of 2.750 and lrm of 9.800. all base values)

my guess is that just the range of the standard weapons are displayed. the other weapons work alright and have different ranges, but you just don't see it on screen, because I guess the system simply does not support differing weapon ranges for a single unit.

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

Shadowhal is correct.. it only displays the range of one weapon, in the case of starbases it's the first one they start with.

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

That's not a huge problem, but it would be a nice one to touch up in a later update..

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting dfalken, reply 5
That's not a huge problem, but it would be a nice one to touch up in a later update..
End of dfalken's quote

agree

BTW Ai still not making superweapons :annoyed:

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting dfalken, reply 5
That's not a huge problem, but it would be a nice one to touch up in a later update..
End of dfalken's quote

Sure, if we could see starbases' multiple weapons range, why not also change the ships that have mutliple weapons, have multiple range also? A darker ring for the first weapons, medium for second...but there would be limit the number of weapons possible.

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Annatar11, reply 4
Shadowhal is correct.. it only displays the range of one weapon, in the case of starbases it's the first one they start with.
End of Annatar11's quote

 

That's odd though, because the ship the flew by the starbase, just outside the ring received no damage. it was solitary too so the starbase wouldn't have been locked up with other ships.

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Tkins, reply 8

Quoting Annatar11, reply 4Shadowhal is correct.. it only displays the range of one weapon, in the case of starbases it's the first one they start with.
 

That's odd though, because the ship the flew by the starbase, just outside the ring received no damage. it was solitary too so the starbase wouldn't have been locked up with other ships.
End of Tkins's quote

I think I saw that too in the game I just finished. thought it was strange that my ogrovs would move to the end of the enemy starbase's range circle (yes, it had max firepower upgrades).

I believe I brought up the range issue in beta shortly, but maybe there was no simple solution for it. still, would be interesting to know if the post-upgrade circle displays the new max. range. it has to somehow .... the ogrovs do have a long range after all ...

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

I agree on the idea of multple range circles.

And, well, if they ever did upgrade the 'range circle code', while they were there... when selecting an ability with an AoE, I'd like to get a minicircle - so you get something vaugely akin to the gravity wells of planets + the build circle of a structure, but being the weapon/ability range + AoE involved. It'd make targeting, and the UI in general, vastly easier to use.

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting ReiverTA, reply 10
I agree on the idea of multple range circles.

And, well, if they ever did upgrade the 'range circle code', while they were there... when selecting an ability with an AoE, I'd like to get a minicircle - so you get something vaugely akin to the gravity wells of planets + the build circle of a structure, but being the weapon/ability range + AoE involved. It'd make targeting, and the UI in general, vastly easier to use.
End of ReiverTA's quote

dont they already have this?

Kol flak burst, Marza Missile Barrage, Akkan Coloniser ability etc etc?

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting TheRezonator, reply 11



Quoting ReiverTA,
reply 10
I agree on the idea of multple range circles.

And, well, if they ever did upgrade the 'range circle code', while they were there... when selecting an ability with an AoE, I'd like to get a minicircle - so you get something vaugely akin to the gravity wells of planets + the build circle of a structure, but being the weapon/ability range + AoE involved. It'd make targeting, and the UI in general, vastly easier to use.



dont they already have this?

Kol flak burst, Marza Missile Barrage, Akkan Coloniser ability etc etc?
End of TheRezonator's quote

yeah hold ur mouse over a skill and it shows the range circle.

Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top

No, no. I mean being able to see the area of effect circle - so when you select, say, a Radiation Bomb, you get a range circle showing the overall range, and a little circle around your mouse showing where the AoE will hit.

Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting ReiverTA, reply 13
No, no. I mean being able to see the area of effect circle - so when you select, say, a Radiation Bomb, you get a range circle showing the overall range, and a little circle around your mouse showing where the AoE will hit.
End of ReiverTA's quote

I thought you'd mean that. when in alt-mode, it could display the general range and the aoe of the ability's current target, in case it is active. not a bad idea.

could apply to other things as well, like kortul VN, lrms aoe effect upgrade, etc.

Reply #15 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Shadowhal, reply 14
I thought you'd mean that. when in alt-mode, it could display the general range and the aoe of the ability's current target, in case it is active. not a bad idea.

could apply to other things as well, like kortul VN, lrms aoe effect upgrade, etc.
End of Shadowhal's quote

 Bingo! I only suggested Radiation Bomb because it was the first thing to pop into my head (Been playing a lot of TEC recently ;) ); it'd be useful in many, many situations.

Reply #16 from Sins Forums Top

I would like to see Range circles for targeted AoE's as well such as Subverters and Transcencia's Meteor Storm.

And multiple range circles for different Starbase weapons would be nice.

Reply #17 from Sins Forums Top

Well, what I meant for ring color not for the abilities but for the inbuilt weapons

say

plasma: blue

missle: red

beam: pink

etc.

Reply #18 from Sins Forums Top

I'm happy with extra circles at all.

Color coding would be cute, but not strictly needed - you can usually infer it from the listed weaponry anyway.