Oh wow, now that I look at it more closely it's even weirder than I thought.

I won most of those pantheon games, but my wins are recorded as custom games, while the pantheon games are recorded as a loss for my side. There was player chatter until the end of the games so I'm pretty sure I wasn't actually in bot games.

So I guess I should have phrased my problem as "my pantheon wins become split up into custom game wins and pantheon losses"

The first 2 games look like they recorded properly.  You're right about the third, it is incorrect.  I'm fairly certain, however, that this is related to drops and disconnects.  Once GPG fixes the issue, we'll see if the issues continue.  If so, I'll take a deeper look at the code to see what's happening.

Bara

Double post!  Made an update today to the Pantheon.  Here is the change log:

4/24/2009
- Maps statistics!  You can now view overall statistics for each map, as well as how you did on each map.
- Fixed up some search issues.
- Added "Skirmish Statistics" to the player info page, on the bar to the right (click on Overall Statistics to see a dropdown).
- The games list now shows the game name.
- Tons of changes in the backend to make things faster and more accurate.

Note that we are still working on getting stats to save properly and accurately.

Bara

I have a couple of questions:

1.  Are multiplayer achievements (not talking about favor points) stored on the server side instead of the end-user's computer, separately from the singleplayer achievements; or are they just lumped together with the singleplayer achievements that are stored on the end-user's computer?

2.  If they are not stored separately, won't this be abused because it can be hacked on the end-user's computer so that any end-user who wants max achievements can get them with some copy and pasting?  Additionally, this would create a problem because if the achievements file gets damaged, all achievements are lost.  For example, I've had a BSOD the other night whilst playing Demigod (I believe caused by my firewall driver, not by something wrong with Demigod's coding) and after the memory dump and reboot, my Demigod profile and all my SP achievements were gone and had to be remade from scratch.  Furthermore, if they are not stored separately, then how does it work for favor points earned via achievements that were earned, or paritally earned, in singleplayer, transferring over to be spent in multiplayer?

1. All achievements are stored locally for the moment.  Eventually we will start saving these on the server, as well as show them on the website.

2. Sure they could, but they have no place to show it for the moment, so what would be the point?  When we start saving achievements on the server end, it won't be so easy to modify them.  By the way, BSOD are usually caused by hardware faults, not code.  This is usually a problem caused by the video or network drivers (of which I've had both).

Bara

My games list is completely fubar. I have won three games on pantheon. Two were recorded as a Custom Game win with me as the only player, and the other was recorded as a Custom Game loss with me as the only player. Three of the pantheon losses occured when I was dropped at the very start -- should quitting when you are the only human player count against you?

Checking my stats i have two games which have the same date and time, won both of them. I know i am good but that good!!! Just wondering if they are both my games?

Won two more skirmish games today. Both went on my record as a Custom Game loss with me as the only player. There's another game at the exact same time as one of the losses that records a win.

i dont know i this is the right place, but it said suggestions ,i would like to see team arranaged games. they would be epic win

Well, my stats updated once. That's it. My favor is still messed up most games and even the items I've bought are sometimes there, but mostly not.

So very frustrating.

As of this morning, my stats are finally showing on the stats page. Thanks much!

Now if we can just get favor items and the friends system working...

Just played 2 skirmish games that was basically against bots since all the players dropped at the begining. I won both games and in stats they both have me listed as the loser and dont award me favor points! grrrr.....

All the players dropped at the beginning?  No, I think what happened is that you were disconnected, and the game created a new match for you.  However, because the game does not handle disconnects well, your match didn't end up counting.  The match with the other players that you were disconnected from continued, with an AI playing for you.  They likely lost, which is why a loss is shown for you.

We are working to resolve these issues, and handling disconnects better.

Bara

oh ok that makes a lot of sense now, thanks!

What about the issue, that games sometimes goes 1vs2 ? Had two of those games, were I was alone against 2 enemy demigods. Tough battles, almost impossible to win on equal skill.

Those sorts of matchups are only supposed to happen when the side with fewer players has higher ratings. It's a bit out of whack now though because it doesn't take the number of games they've played to get said ratings into account strongly enough.

We were going to add some more delay into the process before the system starts giving people that sort of match-up, so if that did already happen then it probably needs tweaked more.

It's possible that someone who was matched up quit during the initial NAT negotiation or loading of the map.  I'm not sure how Demigod handles someone quitting before the game even starts.

Bara

We need to be able to leave I had like 5 games yesterday that didn't show up in stats but 1 person left before it started. Then you are facing 2 humans with a AI feeder why waste you time.  We need to be able to disconnect in first minute and not count.

A minor update today, with most of the changes being done to the backend of things.  Change log is below:

4/29/2009
- Lots of back-end changes to prepare for public API.
- Added sorting options to the Top Demigods and Maps pages.
- Updated all pages to make a more consistent error message system.
- Updated player search to avoid certain errors.

Bara

I posted this in another thread about the Experience/Rating system, and someone suggested I post it here. I haven't read through all 11 pages of this, so I appologize if it's been discussed already:

"I've also been wondering about this. I'd like to see know the actual calculations being done, mostly because I have a decently positive win/loss ratio, and I'm sitting at 915 Experience. Kinda bugs me not knowing why. Something that helped in Sumpreme commander was the added transparency that came from being able to see the change in your Rating/Experience after every match. I understand that it's probably a lot easier on the server to have it only update at midnight, but when I win 6 matches, lose 3, and have a net loss of 50 Experience it would be nice to know which match was responsible."

I requested this as well.  Knowing how each match affects our rating would be a huge help.

I think this is different:

I have one game listed in my stats [(US) usa] which was a custom game where I crashed while trying to join. Despite not ever even getting into the lobby, it has me listed as having played with unkown and earning 0 favor points.

Seems if someone tries to join but can't, it might not realize they're gone.

A few questions that i'm sure are on the forums somewhere and may be obvious to most but i just want clarification.

All pertain to MP.

Do custom games count toward the player stats? I have played many custom games and the only stats being recorded so far are favor points. Is this borked or by design?

If custom games do count, must you need human opponents? I have played many with me and a friend teaming up against all AI, do these count or only the ones against other players?

Do Skirmish games count to player stats?

Or is it only actually Pantheon games that count toward player stats?

I understand the rankings only update once a day but i have obsovered no change in mine over many days.

I of course understand none of these features may be working correctly at this point in time, that's fine, how they are meant to work will satisfy my curiosity.

Cheers.

We will eventually release the calculations for the experience rating, but we are still working on perfecting it.  T-Man is the one who came up with the system and who basically has the final say in when we release it.  We'll keep you updated.

Custom games do not count towards any stats.  Custom game stats ARE collected, but kept separate from the overall stats.

Skirmish and Pantheon count towards overall stats, yes.

Which ranking has not changed?  Your overall ranking?  If so, have you played anything besides custom games yesterday?

Bara

Just a few skirmish games and a few Pantheon games.

What happens in these games when the other player/s dropout and you are now playing against bots either with or without human team mates?

Is it still counted or does the loss of human opponents nulify it?

Thanks for the info Bara....just getting my head around it mate.