Microsoft: Vista SP1 needs math help

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How hard can it be to do file copying? Vista SP1 still hasn't managed to nail it.

Besides the fact that copying over a network isn't reliable if I use the machine name (it'll just randomly cut out, I have to use the IP address), there's a more fundamental one: They can't estimate time.

So I'm looking at the above dialog. I can tell by the items remaining (and the GB remaining) that it's copying at around 8 megabytes per second. But the speed says 188k/sec.  So it uses that 188k per second to do teh estimate.  Right now, it says it'll take 16 hours and 57 minutes to do this copy when in fact it'll be done in probably 5 or 6 minutes. (and in the screenshot it said 8 hours, so I actually lost time).

Seriously guys, this is pretty basic stuff.  You can't manage to write a shell copy routine in 2008? I don't care if Google stole the guy who wrote it  (remind me to sell my Google stock). Fix this stuff. This is just incredibly sloppy.

And now at the end of this post, which took about 3 minutes to make it says:

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So in 3 or so minutes, it copies about 1.5 gigabytes.  So...Microsoft, what is 1.5 gigabytes divided by 180 seconds?

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Reply #1 Top
That's funny but, sad funny. :NOTSURE:

Maybe hang on to the google stock and look at dumping the Microsoft stock? ;)
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Or maybe the New York Stock Exchange will hire the guy, and all the sudden all the stock will be worth twice as much... :P
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Its estimated, if your browsing around doing many things on your pc it will make it go crazy.

I should also add that ive never experienced this issue.... even before SP1 was around.
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Vista's file copy \ xfer system does seem to be rather flawed and as speedy as snail.

The new Windows Live installer takes bloody ages now.. why? I have no idea.

Really makes me wonder how they ever made it so big.
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Some Windows Vista users may encounter an issue with a small set of hardware devices that may not function properly after updating a Windows Vista PC to Windows Vista SP1. This is an issue with the way the device drivers were re-installed during the Windows Vista SP1 update process, not with the drivers themselves—these drivers worked on Windows Vista RTM and they work on Windows Vista SP1. This problem is typically corrected by simply uninstalling and reinstalling the driver. We are working with the manufacturers of these devices to get the known problematic drivers and their install programs updated, and also on other solutions we can use to ensure a smooth customer experience when updating to Windows Vista SP1 using Windows Update. For new PCs provisioned with Windows Vista SP1, this is not an issue.
from here WWW Link

They fully know of the problems and are going to do this here. Make you buy another computer if feel like it! Thus manufactures have the running option to redo drivers for such things as with networking and most of all the chipsets. Real drag... Those chipsets are what run the USB and most any other hardware designed for the motherboard itself. So now we are talking of redesigning the complete system to run a new OS with an update. Which will improve performance if installed correctly and reconfigured so as it will accept the drivers for the actual system itself.
Sounds stupid as hell... But hey - it does make a difference and I've seen less of that problem since I redid my drivers [including chipsets]. Made one mistake though and it almost cost me. Ran drivers being reinstalled in a wrong order and my chipset was changing bootsector items. Thus I lost my boot and had to repair the boot order. But after doing so I've had nothing but good performance so far.
I worked with all 5 releases of sp1 and this last release has the best installer and the best performance I've seen yet.
I like Vista and will stand behind it. I'm not a basher of Microsoft products by any means. MS has done a lot for me and I'll stay that way.
But we are at the first service pack and I'm sure there are going to be others here in the next few years to come. Give it time just as we did with XP and Vista will be better than we ever expected it to be. After the next windows sytem, The Windows 7 as it is called for now. Being the last 32 bit system to be marketed. There is a new road map being laid out for the 64 bit virtual systems. Which will end all the need for a lot of security measures we use today. I look forward to this and am very intrested in the virtual type of system layout and designs.
We can only wait at this point as is Microsoft is for the manufactures to produce the new drivers needed to get SP1 completed. The release was only made to help with giving everyone what they wanted a bit early. Also with the proper information as to why and what will happen if SP1 is done wrong on your system. There is even a technet support forum specifcally for SP1. You may want ask your questions there and I bet there will be some really good answers to them. Found here at this link WWW Link

As to your problem that you show there with the time table for a copy and paste or even just a cut and paste. Will change drastically when the drivers are in a orderly fashion for those devices which are in use by said system.
That is just my opinon due to what I've seen here on my own system.

SGT ;) 
Reply #6 Top
I moved 90GB from my computer to another harddrive and it started out at 72 hours. It ended up taking 20 minutes.
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Think that was bad? This was without the SP:

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I moved 90GB from my computer to another harddrive and it started out at 72 hours. It ended up taking 20 minutes.
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Moving about 470mb after a clean install of Vista on the missus' upgraded machine...it started out at 117340 days and 14 hours :SURPRISED: (should I live that long :NOTSURE: ), but it ended up taking around 20 - 25 seconds.
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Here is a shot of a copy from one computer to another in my network.
With another video I took which slowed it down a bit - but was fairly good as well.

Video link WWW Link

This is a avi file and will take a few mins to buffer in the Windows Media Player. 1 min playing time...

This screenshot is of without the video capture and was considerably faster.

Click image for a larger view...


Reply #10 Top

I don't think Microsoft cane blame drivers here.  This is just stupid coding.

How fast things are coping can be seen visually. One assumed that Microsoft knows how to use the time() function.  It's just a matter of dividing the two.

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How fast things are coping can be seen visually. One assumed that Microsoft knows how to use the time() function. It's just a matter of dividing the two.
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I think they do. But they do not allow for the "checking" time, so they see 1kb of data moved in x amount of time, and then it calculates.

It is simple math, but not realistic or accurate because they did not want to take the time to incorporate the prep time before the actual copying starts.