soap factories were turned into manufacturing explosives

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Just remember one thing about the deaths... they were mainly brought on because of the Allied bombing of CIVILIAN TARGETS, a.k.a. cities. Effectively cutting off supply routes can be more devastating that a nuke in certain cases.

I assume you're talking about events like the firebombing of Dresden. AFAIK these causalities aren't even counted in the 6 (or 7) million concentration/labor camp deaths. Also the 20 million Soviet deaths due to the war are seldom mentioned. I've never even heard a figure for German war dead either combatant or non-combatant but I'm sure it's substantially into the millions as well. It's for all of these reasons that the term Nazi has such a negative connotation.

It's bad enough that we feel the need to argue about such triviality as spelling and grammar, can we please not drag the topic down any further into the muck by arguing about actual Nazi's. Thanks.   

combatant or non-combatant

Don't perpetuate Bush Administration propaganda/stupidity. Those terms never came into play until the US decided to celebrate their new fascist order by blowing up the World Trade Center.

There's soldiers and civilians. That's how the Geneva Convention defines people in a war zone.

There's soldiers and civilians

Whatever. In any case a whole bunch of people died on all sides. I'm sure there's enough blame to spread around to last many lifetimes.

My point was that I would much rather listen to folks complain about people's spelling than to a rehash of a 64 year old war that's arguably the most devastating experience in the history of humankind. Goes to show you that everything is relative.

arguably the most devastating experience in the history of humankind

Two words: Britney Spears

Two words: Britney Spears

Actually, try Hanson.

Utterly atrocious.

I'll frak Brittany as long as she can deal with my rules regarding The Prophecy.

Two words: Britney Spears

Two more words: anal bleaching (yes, it's real, look it up, I just did yesterday)

More seriously, Mumble's #54 post aims what I was thinking about with the subtitle for the thread. But I'm a bit of a scholar and I've quite enjoyed seeing people wrangle about the history a bit. Those who do not learn history... well, you know

There's soldiers and civilians. That's how the Geneva Convention defines people in a war zone.

It's been amended to include irregualar forces (partisans etc),,hence the term combatant/non-combatant.

the 6 (or 7) million concentration/labor camp deaths.

The usual number of 6 million dead in the camps only cover the Jews.
Totally 12-15 million died in those camps.

AFAIK these causalities aren't even counted

Correct,,as they are not related with the number of people killed in the camps.

Also the 20 million Soviet deaths due to the war are seldom mentioned.

That is because no one has been able to make a count until recently when the old archives were made available.
For instance,,the Red Army lost around 2,5 million men in the battle of Stalingrad,,not counting wounded but including those summarily executed by NKVD and front commanders.
400k-600k of the civilian population lost their lives as Stalin forbade leaving the city out of prestige.
Such horrific losses were kept from the public due to political reasons.

This is (according to my theory presented above) also why "Hitler" have a worse ring to it than "Stalin",,in spite of the Bömische Korpral being a schoolboy novice in comparison with the Butcher from Ukraine.
The full extent of the Nazi crimes were revealed during the Nürnberg trials,,while it took over 50 years to learn the truth of Stalin's.

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Where do you think the idea comes from?

Stormbringer, if you're going to identify with the grammar enforcers, you probably shouldn't apostrophize a plural, such as "Nazis"... Am I reading you correctly in the post above that one where it sounds like you're blaming the death of seven-plus million people to allied bombing and supply interdiction? So are you saying that the poor, hardworking SS boys were really just trying desperately hard to get those trains full of bread and nutritious veggies to the camps, but since the tracks were damaged they could only deliver cannisters of Zyklon-B as a humanitarian gesture?

Well since you gave me a two parter...
Aps for the apostrophe. Even Nazis can have a misguided moment or two.
As far as the war, or anything else for that matter, my bottom line is that if it had anything to do with Israel and what "she" wants, then it must be right. Therefore, until that illegal little piece of land is turned into a glass parking lot, any propaganda spurred on by our government and the other allies of the time will be met with great skepticism. Remember, we won, so we wrote the history books. And for you history buffs in here, surely you know what "Operation Paperclip" was.

US decided to celebrate their new fascist order by blowing up the World Trade Center.

Thank you very much. Another well informed, non-sheeple!

Two more words: anal bleaching (yes, it's real, look it up, I just did yesterday)

You mean you looked it up... or you did it?
And before you get the BVD's in a bunch, it's a joke.

Evil, I resisted the joke. It was too easy. All the same, I'm glad you put it out there.

Just to clarify my position on all of the "dragging up a war that was over" comments I would like to say that it truly amazes me when I see the degree of patriotic blindness that so many people have when it comes to the USA. I never thought people were as stupid as they really are until 9/11. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. And to see some stupid hick, what's his name, Toby Keith I believe, making money with a lame ass song, which was made worse with his lyrics, was just insane. Obviously, my incoherent ranting should be evidence that this subject really bothers me. Patriotic, ha! A true patriot would snuff this government we have running things in a heartbeat. Besides all of that, answer me one final question. How can a rich person do what is in the best interest of the people when said person is so far out of touch with reality simply because of his/her wealth? Bush and the rest of his ilk have no idea what I go through on a daily basis just to feed my family, let alone afford medical, rising food/gas, and every last tax dollar that is squeezed out of me for what? So I can slave for forty plus hours a week and die, that's what I am here for. To make a rich person more wealthy, yeah, I live for it!

On the 9/11 attacks... where are the airplane parts from New York and Washington? It's a rhetorical question because they are nowhere to be found. Instead, we have pictures of a crashed plane in Philadelphia that was purely coincidental. The pictures are as legitimate as the idiotic film clips of the bombing of Sudan with a prominent building with a giant sign--in English--that says PHARMACEUTICAL FACTORY.

To answer your question... they don't bother their pretty little hands with theoretical concepts like "reality." They are more concerned about Miss USA being a ho bag.

Two words: Britney Spears

Two words: Great Depression

You talk of fluff. I'm talking about people who lived through the worst times ever. I'm talking about people who could barely afford potatoes for supper and had the decency to take their potato peelings down to the people that lived under the bridge who couldn't afford even that.

These are the same folks who fought in the Great War that you discuss with such frivolity. Most folks wouldn't know true hard times if it bit them in the ass. The biggest concern most folks face today is when the local Starbucks runs out of Frappachino.

So go ahead and have your silly little conspiracy theories. I truly think that folks tend to live up to the demands placed on them by the times. I think the current generation could stand up to true adversity if it really had to. For your sake, I hope you never do.

BTW, nova this isn't directed at you personally, you just happened to have a quote that segued easily into my post.

Wow... this thread managed to go from a useful discussion of when it is and is not appropriate to critique someone's grammar and spelling, to a mish-mash of 9/11 conspiracy theories and borderline Holocaust denial in only two days.

That's just got to set some kind of record.

It's called the "Thread Highjack Conspiracy".

The objective is to never let a thread go unhighjacked any longer than absolutely necessary.





What to join?

Let's nix the politics before the fire gets going too hot, mmkay?

Let's nix the politics before the fire gets going too hot, mmkay?

Ixna the oliticspa Curley.   

Pretentious the lot of you!! ::

JU dudes can be real mean about spelling, the irony is; those that pick on your spelling make mistakes often enough themselves! Die spelling nazi die! Who gives a damn?

borderline Holocaust denial

Being ignorant of history isn't the same thing as falsifying it.
(albeit the end results can be frightening alike!)

Two words: Great Depression

Only thing I know that might surpass that is the wave of pestilence that swept through the world around the 14th century,,killing off a full fourth of the population while bringing the whole society to a total standstill.

Most folks wouldn't know true hard times if it bit them in the ass.

Very sad,,very true. So much sadder for that.

For your sake, I hope you never do.

Amen to that.

Being ignorant of history isn't the same thing as falsifying it. (albeit the end results can be frightening alike!)

That's why I said borderline.

That said, I think its safe to say that this thread is long past its period of usefulness, so I'm off to observe its inevitable collapse from a safe vantage point.

Just remember one thing about the deaths... they were mainly brought on because of the Allied bombing

Step away from the crack pipe...

Let's nix the politics before the fire gets going too hot, mmkay?

Kryo, I surely appreciate your request when I think about being a responsible moderator for a net forum, but seriously, how can you say "nix the politics" when the game we're here to talk about (and around) is "Galctic Civilizations?"

My best guess is that you haven't rested decently since I used SDC's IRC to watch you staying up too late on the night of the first DA beta release. I'm ready to cut you some slack until DA releases, but after then I might need to hit you with the mom-stick until you show signs of adequate self-care. Recreational combat's no good unless everyone stays healthy.

@Jennifer1 not logged in, please keep posting here, especially if you don't have a Y chromosome