[Bug][.981] Dominating Pariden with my extremely weak military.

 

The pic says it all.

 

EDIT:

 

For those whom the picture doesn't say anything.  The picture shows my relation modifiers with Pariden.  She doesn't like me because my army is "extremely weak" but later says "you are dominating me."

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The pic says it all.

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well if you really won with no troop at all there is a problem

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I can't see the pic, and that's a problem.

Reply #3 Top

Can't see the picture either.

So sorry, :(
Can you provide a link?

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

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There's no picture because it didn't happen.

Reply #5 Top

Does the pic work now?

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Quoting Buttons6, reply 6
Does the pic work now?
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For me, yes, thanks!

 

Also those relations doesn't make sense, I agree.
Probably because you don't have many "Army Points", but the army you have is beating her in the face :)

Said in other words, if she finds a counter against your sovereign, she will probably win the war.

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

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For those whom the picture doesn't say anything.  The picture shows my relation modifiers with Pariden.  She doesn't like me because my army is "extremely weak" but later says "you are dominating me."
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That should probably be changed to say "your army is dominating us" or even better "your army is crushing us". :)

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I reported this bug in 0.980. It's still in 0.981.

 

I think it's a bug because in both of my games the sovereigns who said "you are dominating me +5" had much higher might scores than me.

 

Also, a small tooltip bug: Ceresa's "Unstable" trait has no tooltip.

 

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Its a fairly simple issue. "you are dominating me" = you are winning a war. This discusses actual results; aka what your nations do to each others.

"might score" and "your army is very weak" are two scores based on hypothetical calculation of your empire's and army's strength in the aggregate. With the former (apparently) including cities and tech and probably armies (unlikely but possible income and cash). And the latter only armies. This is a hypothetical value not a results based value; aka what your nations think of each other, tactically. Think of this as their advisors saying "their armies are weak"

In theory, even if th numbers are PERFECTLY ACCURATE you could still have the situation described by the OP by employing superior tactics or just getting lucky (ex: your inferior army flanks them while they are caught up fighting an elemental lord or another player or just not engaging you since they are to the north and you swept in from the south)

In practice they will always be this way in a game between a human and AI. The problem is the empire strength score is irrelevent in the age of supersov/superstack dominance and so are armies. Your army is very weak because your army is only your sov and maybe some heroes, while every Ai faction has dozens of cannon fodder (spearmen) artificially inflating the score without having any releveance to combat at all.

It would be interesting if instead of saying "your army is weak" it said "our advisors estimate our army is stronger" and instead of "you dominate me" it would say "you won recent battles". That ensures both numbers can co-exist without contradiction.

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It's OK. She likes being dominated. }:)

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Quoting taltamir, reply 10
Its a fairly simple issue. "you are dominating me" = you are winning a war. This discusses actual results; aka what your nations do to each others.

"might score" and "your army is very weak" are two scores based on hypothetical calculation of your empire's and army's strength in the aggregate. With the former including cities and tech and probably armies (unlikely but possible income and cash). And the latter only armies. This is a hypothetical value not a results based value; aka what your nations think of each other, tactically. Think of this as their advisors saying "their armies are weak"

In theory, even if th numbers are PERFECTLY ACCURATE you could still have the situation described by the OP by employing superior tactics or just getting lucky (ex: your inferior army flanks them while they are caught up fighting an elemental lord or another player or just not engaging you since they are to the north and you swept in from the south)

In practice they will always be this way in a game between a human and AI. The problem is the empire strength score is irrelevent in the age of supersov/superstack dominance and so are armies. Your army is very weak because your army is only your sov and maybe some heroes, while every Ai faction has dozens of cannon fodder (spearmen) artificially inflating the score without having any releveance to combat at all.

It would be interesting if instead of saying "your army is weak" it said "our advisors estimate our army is stronger" and instead of "you dominate me" it would say "you won recent battles". That ensures both numbers can co-exist without contradiction.
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Do you actually know this or are you speculating? At least in my games, it was right at the beginning of the game -- there were no wars whatsoever. I am almost certain that this is a bug.

 

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Quoting Kobracan, reply 12
Do you actually know this or are you speculating?
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About what? I made a lot of statements.

 At least in my games, it was right at the beginning of the game -- there were no wars whatsoever. I am almost certain that this is a bug.
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If it said "you are dominating me" and you did not actually beat them in combat then this is definitely a bug.

Reply #13 Top

In this situation I had paid Pariden to go to war with Resoln, because Resoln was killing me.  I don't think I ever killed a Pariden unit in the short war before I quit.

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Quoting Buttons6, reply 14
In this situation I had paid Pariden to go to war with Resoln, because Resoln was killing me.  I don't think I ever killed a Pariden unit in the short war before I quit.
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Maybe they were getting their units killed by resoln and due to a bug the AI assumes any unit it loses is killed as a result of the player?