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Do We Need The Rating System?

Do We Need The Rating System?

An open discussion

How does the rating system work? It is partly based on the level of the user doing the rating. For example, someone at level eight would vote and it would count eight times, while someone at level one would have a vote that counts one time. That's a rough explanation. Based on that, a level eight vote could counter 3 or 4 not so sensible votes. Your trusty Admins and Mods carry the most weight. And they do keep watch on these things and on the not-so-sensible voters.

 Is there a perfect rating system? I have seen a lot of suggestions. I have even made some. We all have seen them or made some. The ideas I have seen often involve more work on the Admin and Mods part. None are perfect. This is because we are human and we have our own tastes and opinions.

Often we disagree with one another. Sometimes we disagree drastically. As long as everyone is allowed an opinion, as they should be, and an opportunity to voice it through comments or rating, there is going to be conflict. Even when two people absolutely love the same thing, it may be for entirely different reasons.

Then you have people who rate something from the gut.  They may be rating from their own sense of who they think the artist is and what they think the artist deserves and not on the actual art. They may rate high just to show support whether as a fan or a friend. They may also rate the work low based on other personal feelings and again, not on the actual work. We may tend to like an artist so much we rate everything they do high, overlooking flaws, because we put the artist first. On the opposite end, we may have such a negative view of an artist that we rate everything low., looking for every imperfection we can find.

There is no way to detect in advance the motivation behind a persons vote. If you question a persons positive vote, you can put them on the defensive. No one wants to be accused of doing something for anything other than the right reasons. If you question their negative vote (a personally motivated vote to be more precise) they can just lie. If someone truly wants to bring it down, they will find a way.

Making anyone jump through hoops to rate one's work, by having to comment first or download first mat deter the positive ratings as much as the negative ones. In my experience, negativity can be a much stronger motivation for some people, whether it is the thrill of what they consider a victory or they are so self-absorbed they feel it won't be rated properly until they have had their say or done their damage.

While we wait to see what the new rating system will be (if there even will be one) I think time is well spent trying to ask ourselves if we truly need one. Often it is said "It's the downloads that count." and I believe this is true. When you have 348,000 downloads or more (or less) does the rating system really matter?

The only two thing I have personally ever seen that boosts downloads of my work is Number One:when it is featured on the home page or in one of Island Dogs threads. My screenshots are proof of this. Any screenshot that has made Screenshot of the Day has had multiple downloads, sometimes going into the double digits. All the others are either low to no downloads at all. And not all of the ones featured had high ratings to begin with, screenshots or any other skins but they were featured. Even the folks picking the features have their own opinions.

Number Two would be anything I have made being featured in someone else's screenshot. (Thanks to all who provide links to my work in their screenshots)

The rating system, in my opinion is mute. It's the promotion of one's work that really makes the difference and should be the topic of discussion. As a community we can do more for each other by promoting one another's work than any rating system can. As a community, that is what we should be doing. The rating system does not hurt your work or the community half as much as the complaining about it and all the negative attention focused on the actual system. My 'suggestion' for a ratings system (like we need another one) is either a simple 'thumbs up and thumbs down' or 'favorites'.Or just leave it all to the number of downloads. Wincustomize is a community and should always be treated as such. As a community we should be about one another as a whole. The Lone Wolfs or folks with an agenda should just get out of the way and limiting the rating system (I'm not saying my idea is perfect) to a 'thumbs up or thumbs down' will help in limiting their (negative) impact on the community.

As the site gets ready to change I think it is important that we are ready to change with it, no matter what rating system is applied to it. As a community we should be bigger and stronger than a few 'stars'. We should be one in why we are here. The love of skinning . Whether you're just an observer, a user, an appreciator, or a skinner. It should be about creating - and sharing, supporting, and promoting everything that is fun, enjoyable, and satisfying about skinning. In my opinion, we don't need the rating system. What's yours?

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Reply #51 Top

I never noticed this before but it appears that you can rate a skin more than once. I rated a skin today than saw by the posts that I had rated it before (guess it was resubmitted). I was under the impression that you couldn't do this but this could lead to some abuse.

Reply #52 Top

It rerecords your last rating, so there will only be one rating per person.

Reply #53 Top

Since most of the discussion with ratings really comes down to whether you want to see them or not I have a two suggestion.

Why not have an option in setup within WinCustomize that allows a person viewing the library to select not to see ratings.

Or another opiton would/could be that the only person that sees the ratings of a skin is the skinner.

You will still see the comments and downloads totals.

Reply #54 Top

I have never used the rating system, but I think we need it. It can become a great tool. If I were a skinner (I wish I was) I would love to see it provide some user feed back. For example I would want to see my skins rated on a few different catagories such as color, overall appearance, or perhaps on how technical it was. I think there should be 4 or 5 such critera that way as a skinner I might look at it and say" Wow it recieved wonderful ratings except in the area of color, I might remake it in a lighter or darker tone." I know such a system would allow me to be a better skinner and give me a better understanding of why my rating is what it is. Just my 2 cents.

Reply #55 Top

It rerecords your last rating, so there will only be one rating per person.
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 WOM is correct, you can go in and change your rating on a skin by rerating, but it only counts a a single rating, overwriting the previous rating given.. It will not add them up together. So no chance for abuse.

 

Reply #56 Top

meh, i'm offline for almost two years and when i come back this is what i get? the same issues with the raiting system, same ones that i complained two years ago....:

 

https://forums.wincustomize.com/315488

Reply #57 Top

Quoting TYCUS, reply 56
meh, i'm offline for almost two years and when i come back this is what i get? the same issues with the raiting system, same ones that i complained two years ago....:

 

https://forums.wincustomize.com/315488
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Yup. :sun:

Reply #58 Top

I think everyone is missing the point of the ratings.

There are only three factors that lead to a skin's acceptance/status/success on the site.

1.  First the skin must be one the skinner wishes to upload to the site.

2.  The site's Moderators must then check and approve the skin for public use.

3.  The Community then has the opportunity to critique/provide feedback about the skin.  [in the form of downloads, comments and ratings].

'3.' is the Community Input .... the social interaction .... the thing that differentiates Wincustomize.com from a Torrenter's download database.

If you diminish '3.' you diminish Wincustomize.com.

Searching a community database NEEDS a community-based search criterium....in this case it is by 'ratings'.....those which are applied BY THE COMMUNITY.

Take away that option and what....you set in place a search string that looks for key words in the comments....'Kewl skin, dude"?

When it comes to ratings, their application [or abuse] people need to 'grow a pair' and accept criticism [through ratings] just as they should likewise with "this skin sucks" comments.  Skins are uploaded into the public domain and will attract opinions both good and bad.  It is the same with all creative 'art'.

Now, ALL that being said, there has been NO FORMAL determination as to the future of ratings [in this form or any other].

As a site Administrator I'd love to see them gone...just to end the public 'angst', but as a site Administrator I see their real value too.

Rock and a hard place....;)

Reply #59 Top

Get rid of it, it serves no purpose, brings along too much baggage and invites everyone to whiiiiine far too much.

Reply #60 Top

For example I would want to see my skins rated on a few different catagories such as color, overall appearance, or perhaps on how technical it was. I think there should be 4 or 5 such critera that way as a skinner I might look at it and say" Wow it recieved wonderful ratings except in the area of color, I might remake it in a lighter or darker tone." I know such a system would allow me to be a better skinner and give me a better understanding of why my rating is what it is. Just my 2 cents.
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I kinda like that idea, though I imagine it would be a pain in the butt to implement. You also have to consider that if it became to complicated, less people might be apt to even bother with it. But I do like it. ;)

Reply #61 Top

I agree with you Po....for the same reasons. I would love to see ratings on techincal, asthetics, ease of use (just for starters). But I also see the issue of rating like that to be so tedious, that no one would rate. K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid) works best for this application. Besides, if I really wanted feed back on usabiliy, color, etc, I would just post it as a WIP, see if someone(s) wants to test it, then take it from there to correct what can be corrected, let the rest be, upload and pray it makes it on WC. ;)

Reply #62 Top

I think apossibly a Poll system within the skins comments section, Offering those who wish to expand on their rating based in crieteria, could be implemented. Possibly one where asthetics, composition etc could be invividualy rated on , giving the authors more insight to peoples actual thoughts/ likes and dislikes on the skin.

Example..

Asthetics.       :----------

Funtionality.   : ---

Style.            :------

 

Reply #63 Top

HG, that is the best idea I've heard yet! :thumbsup:   If there must be a rating system of some kind, that one would benifit the skinners as well as the downloaders.

Reply #65 Top

PoSmedley is this your real picture of you? cause you look like Hugh Laurie (House)
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No.

Hugh Laurie looks like me. Well, he wishes he looked like me. If he actually saw me, he would say 'I want to look like him."

He might look at me and say if 'I didn't look like me I would want to look like him.'

Okay, if he was in a really REALLY bad car wreck and like totally difigured in the face and they told him the best they could do was make him look like me, he would be able to live with that.

Really, he would probably say 'Just leave me disfigured' but he would always keep me in the back of his mind.

One day he would see me and say 'I could have looked like you....but I chose not to' in his British accent..and not the funny one he would use on Black Adder but the real one with the lisp and all that. And we would have a cup of coffee at STarbucks and talk about which one of us wants to look more like the other and what a douche-bag Forman really is.

Reply #66 Top

i-Umami... I have some nice pictures of Po'....would you like some?  |-)

Reply #67 Top

Quoting HG_Eliminator, reply 55

It rerecords your last rating, so there will only be one rating per person.

  WOM is correct, you can go in and change your rating on a skin by rerating, but it only counts a a single rating, overwriting the previous rating given.. It will not add them up together. So no chance for abuse. 

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I read sometime ago (I don't remember where) that the rerating is possible only for uprating the previous vote but not for downrating it, can you confirm my recall ?

Reply #68 Top

I do believe it goes either way. But unless the skin has few ratings one shouldnt expect to see much difference in the overall rating of said skin..

Reply #69 Top

Quoting HG_Eliminator, reply 68
I do believe it goes either way.
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thanks, I found it and yep it was the "latest" not the highest  ! https://forums.wincustomize.com/168849

Quoting Zubaz, reply 1
You can always re-rate.  Only your latest is counted.
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Reply #70 Top

I read sometime ago (I don't remember where) that the rerating is possible only for uprating the previous vote but not for downrating it, can you confirm my recall ?
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No....it can go either way....though there may have been mention of how it would allow you to raise the rating once the skin was updated and thus fixed whatever issue had you rating it low....;)

Reply #71 Top

.though there may have been mention of how it would allow you to raise the rating once the skin was updated and thus fixed whatever issue had you rating it low....
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thanks Jafo as you said I was only recalling the rerating intentions after a misrate for "the dropdown menu issue" when you mouseover on your way to the download button. ! ^_^

Reply #72 Top

Wow, that's a hot topic! Looks like people have a lot to say about the rating system. I have something to say too. I cannot vote and I find it a bit strange. Why not all the registered users can vote? Anyway, I contributed some of my work here, still I have no voting right. Not that I care much about it, but I care more about what the users of my skins think about my work. That's the most important feedback which isn't available to any creator here. It's a kind of elitistic system, we get feedback only from the "experts" and not from the "common people". I suggest to let everyone vote and keep the high ranked votes as a seperate pole, this way we'll know what the "experts" think and also what the "real users" think, what can go wrong with that?.

Reply #73 Top

wow Ziggy the simplest solution could be your promotion to the Apprentice level (let me say well deserved :X :sun: )

Reply #74 Top

i-Umami... I have some nice pictures of Po'....would you like some?
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Reply #75 Top

lol