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WindowBlinds 6.0 & XP x64 Support

WindowBlinds 6.0 & XP x64 Support

I was surprised when I tried to upgrade to WB6 and received a message that it was not supported for XP x64.

The most obvious reason I would think it is supported is that your own page for WindowBlinds 6 states unequivocally:

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Windows XP (32-bit or 64-bit) or Windows Vista (32-bit or 64-bit) are required for WindowBlinds 6 (users of Windows 2000, 98, and ME can purchase WindowBlinds Classic). No additional requirements are needed to use it.
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I have then a simple question of, when will it be supported? If the answer is "Never," I think I may need to speak with customer service.
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Reply #51 Top
Thank you Zubaz, I now know a heck of lot more about what I didn't know anything about before. Now all I have to do is figure out if I need to remember it!  

All kidding aside, I believe I now understand better why Stardock has/is taking it's position pertaining to 64bit versions of XP and Vista.   
Reply #52 Top
Same Situation here. I purchased WB 5 after 2nd february explicitly to be able to get a free upgrade to WB 6. Now I cannot use its features on XP64. Sad!

I rarely experienced any problems with this OS. It's ROCK stable!!
I have used the 32bit version a long time ago and I must say it gave me a lot more headaches than the current.
On the other side Vista doesn't sound tempting at all, wether in 32bit or 64bit flavour for several reasons I won't repeat. I don't see a real benefit over XP.
If I install Vista my current rig will be shrinked down to a Pentium III system for nothing.
So I won't purchase Vista to make use of WB. Period.

I vote for a XP64 support build of WB6.
Minorities can be very thankful...
Reply #53 Top
Just got my first copy of WB, just to find out version 6 doesn't work with XP x64.
*mails support@Stardock*

XP x64 isn't as bad as some people think though, support could be a little better but I see no reason to upgrade to Vista other than autoCAD not working, but that doesn't work on Vista x64 either.
Reply #54 Top
kudo's for Stardock promt reply, I got an serial for 5.51

They told me that "sorry about the XP 64 bit support, I do know the developers are working on it and someday we should have it compatible."

I still have a problem with v5.51 though:
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Reply #55 Top

Lain8: I had just sent something out about that internally. I have now emailed you what you will need to fix this problem.

To anyone else experiencing this problem with WindowBlinds 5.51 on an x64 system, please email support@stardock.com.

Thanks!  

-Mike
[Stardock Support]

Reply #56 Top
If XP x64 support does not come very soon, I will not renew Object Desktop any more.


Henrik
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Hi, add me to this list of not renewing OD without XP x64 support.
Reply #57 Top
Zubaz, what part of "Premier Performance", "Greater Flexibility", "Multiprocessing and multicore processor support" and "Increased reliability and security" does not offer benefit to the home user? Not to be a jerk, but those things are why I do continue to use XP 64.
Reply #58 Top
Not to be a jerk, but those things are why I do continue to use XP 64.
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Never thought you were a jerk. 

"Premier performance" is marketing-speak.  It doesn't mean squat.
"Greater Flexibility" is great if you are using apps that were built for it.  Let's face it, most apps that the home user uses (separate from the Home Business User) were never optimized for 64bit.
"Multiprocessing and multicore processor support"  I'll grant you that the OS will *support it . .but again . . the number of apps for the home user are low.
"Increased reliability and security" OK . . fewer apps can execute malicious code.  Drivers need to be signed.  For most home users it's a bigger pain in the ass than it helps.

Look, I don't deny that it works for you.  Great.  But you are the exception.  And supporting a product for the (ever diminishing) exception doesn't make too much sense in the long run.

I hope SD support XP64 users  . . but not at the expense of the mainstream users (of which I am one of many)

Still freinds?    
Reply #59 Top
The main question is of course how much work it is to adapt wb 6 for XP x64 systems, if it's mainly the same with a few slight differences then it would be doable.

But I understand from Stardock staff that XP x64 support is in the works, so us who use that OS just have to hold our breath for a bit, like we're used to.
Reply #60 Top
I can be added to the list of users that's more than a little bit miffed that my just-purchased copy of WB6 doesn't work.
Reply #61 Top
Yeah yeah Zubaz, I know... I was just posting my reply because you were using that marketing release to justify your point that there was nothing in there.. I know it's mostly the regular BS you'd hear from any software release.  

However, a few points do deserve mentioning. While many apps themselves haven't been optimized for x64 yet (because they need to be coded natively), Office 2007 is one that is, and it's probably one of the more used apps out there. In addition, while most applications don't really know how to multithread yet, that doesn't mean that the OS will stay on one processor. Most of my stuff runs better on my system simply because one of the processors generally takes over the "background system tasks", while the other runs whatever my foreground application is. I can also assign processes to run on one particular processor with just a few clicks natively in Windows itself.

The average home user COULD benefit from XP64 now, though driver support is still spotty in "consumer-level" hardware. I do agree that the market will continue to diminish for a bit, especially after Vista releases SP1 and perhaps gets some of their act together for that 64-bit version. Myself, I'm planning on skipping Vista entirely (aside from anything that I MUST run on it... and nothing's compelled me that much yet.   ) and waiting for Windows 2009/11. I just hope that we XP64 users are able to at least get some sort of "unsupported" (but still patched) version out there. We're pretty used to being last in the support category, being self-sufficient, and generally having to be our own debuggers anyway.
Reply #62 Top

If XP x64 support does not come very soon, I will not renew Object Desktop any more.


Henrik


Hi, add me to this list of not renewing OD without XP x64 support.
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Add me to the list as well.
Reply #63 Top

We'll use this thread as a gauge of interest.

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Add me to the XP x64 list! I stopped by to take another look at WB after receiving an email from you guys (I'm a registered 0.90 owner) and was about to purchase version 6 when the demo refused to install.
Reply #65 Top
My $0.02 :

I stopped using OD and WB when I moved to XP x64 a couple of years ago. The need for more memory, multiple core support, faster (64 bit) I/O was critical for my small business, and I've been running XP64 stably with no problems for over a year now. This is a 99.83% uptime system (less than 1 hour/month downtime), and when I trialled Vista x64 "Ultimate", it was "ultimately", hasta la Vista .

For some users, Vista will be perfect. For most others, especially "high end" users (and please note, I'm not categorising anyone based on their use of the software - I consider myself a gamer AND a business user/developer), XP x64 is significantly more stable, if not as pretty to look at.

I regularly deal with 12+ gigabyte audio files, and 100+ gig video files, and Vista just couldn't be relied on to deal with large data movements. Period. (This is on a quadcore AMD board with 16G ECC RAM and 3.2Tb mass storage, with a plain old ATI X1600 with 64-bit drivers that mostly work well). I have a number of customers who tried to get Wifi working on Vista (32 and 64) and it's a nightmare, with bugger all support from the hardware developers (who are looking beyond Vista, since it's basically a new UI and some security layers glued on to an XP core - and I speak here with my MSCE hat on) AND from MS. (Google "wifi problems vista" and you'll see what I mean).

So Vista is no longer on my radar - I fought that 800-pound gorilla for over 3 weeks until I had to give up in disgust and go back to XP64. (This was on a pretty tame hardware system as I've described - nothing bleeding-edge or beta on this box).

The sudden appeal of multiple core systems (when a quad core computer is advertised on Harvey Norman, you know multicore is now mainstream) means that most multiple CPU users will probably get Vista bundled, so I can understand that's where the development budget is going to go to. But there's still a significant minority of us XP x64 users out here who can't (or won't) trust Vista for normal use. Most (but maybe not all) of us have supported or at least tried to troubleshoot x64 driver and hardware issues, and I don't see such a "self supporting" user base as being a significant support load. And as one of that minority, I'd definitely appreciate some cosmetic surgery support for XP x64.

NextStep and Workshelf are supported on XP64, it'd be great if we could do some app skinning as well...

So please consider some support for WindowBlinds on XP x64, even if it's only for the current release and no further, it would be a great bonus for users like us.

Reply #66 Top


If XP x64 support does not come very soon, I will not renew Object Desktop any more.


Henrik


Hi, add me to this list of not renewing OD without XP x64 support.



Add me to the list as well.
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Add me too, in fact, I'll seek a refund. I recently renewed my license *BECAUSE* of WB6 that was promised, that email never mentioned that WB6 would exclude X64, and attempt to force me back to that over-bloated slowdown called Vista.


I spent some $$$ on expensive caching PCI-E SCSI RAID controller, 5-disk 15000 RPM RAID-5 , 4GB ECC RAM, and ditto CPU, I will *NOT* waste any more speed using that Vista-junk.
I have never seen my computer work with big media files as slowly as when I used that crappy OS.




Reply #67 Top
While many apps themselves haven't been optimized for x64 yet (because they need to be coded natively), Office 2007 is one that is
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Ummmm... there is no version of Office 2007 x64. It still installs in the Program Files x86 folder. I would like more information on your statement. Could you point me in the right direction? Thanks
Reply #68 Top
Yeah.. there is no Office 07 with x64 support. It will run on 64 bit but in 32 bit mode. Most people are calling MS hypocrites as they try to get people to migrate to 64 bit yet they don't support it with their own apps like the Office Suite. Oh the irony....
Reply #69 Top
Since no one from SD updated this post, I will post a link. Support for XP 64 added. I downloaded and it works!

WWW Link
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Since no one from SD updated this post, I will post a link. Support for XP 64 added. I downloaded and it works!

WWW Link
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Wonderfull!

Thanks alot Stardock.
Reply #71 Top
Great job StarDock. Works without any noticeable slowdowns while playing games.
Although I have a small problem with it (since WB5.51), I gotta say. Ecliz Deluxe is the best skin for WB6.
Reply #72 Top
Well, time to put my money where my mouth is - now that x64 support is added, I just made the purchase for version 6.

I really wish the demo version supported x64 though.
Reply #74 Top
The trial does not have x64 XP support as the additional testing is not going to produce much in the way of sales.  Anyone who does have 64 bit XP and wants to try WB can try 5.51 and if they like it then they can purchase 6.
Reply #75 Top
Thank you for adding XP x64 support back in. I hope it continues in the future.