Which fleet wins this battle?

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My money's on the humans. That's a lot of attack power, and they outnumber the Iconians. The fleet of four has a lot of hp, but not enough defense to really reduce the damage they take.

It was meant as a thought experiment.

A lot of folks have chimed in about fleet size, hull size, defense and the like.

Time for them to put their reps on the line and take a stand!

Predictions:

Terrans 1
Iconians 0.

Thanks nullspace for getting the ball rolling!

I'd go with the Terran's as well.

Terrans 2
Iconians 0.

I'm alittle torn, but I gotta give it to the humans.

Their superior firepower outdoes the Iconian's 2:1 HP advantage.

I'd say the Iconians:

The Humans only get 21 defence against the missiles while the Iconians have around 92 against the mass drivers. When taking into account that the Human firepower is from 9 ships it averages out to a 58 attack for each ship. The Iconians average to 50. When we then compare attack versus defence the Humans end up with 58 - 92 = -34 and the Iconians 50 - 21 = 29. With those numbers the hitpoints of the Iconians will make them prevail. I do assume that this is in the latest version where they fire simultaniously.

G-Force

The Terrans are toast.
Their ships lack the defenses and hp to take more than one shot from an iconian ship.

Terrans win but lose 4 to 5 ships.

In that image we can not even see the Terrans most powerful ships.


Anyone ever used the Lucky Rangers?

I used to get them when I first played the game (not any more though).

They have mass drivers and armor, only. Rather like the Terran fleet.
They are very staunch ships.

I probably don't get them now because I always have an overwhelming advantage.
But, those ships, especially when fleeted, were practically unstoppable.
With a little experience advantage, they could not be defeated until the ultimate weapons were researched.

Even with no PD defenses, the Terran ships do have some defense (square root of 455). The Iconians only have 80 defense (plus their square root of the others) spread across only 4 ships against over 500 offense of the Terrans.

Should be a clear advantage to the Terrans.

I am really looking forward to the results of this battle.

I only hope ShuShu plays it out a few times using a saved game, in case random rolls make that much of a difference.
And it would be nice if it could be arranged for each fleet to attack the other.

I'll go with the Iconians....just...purely because of the massive amount of hit points they have. They will take a hell of a beatiing but i think they might just outlast the humans. It will be close.

Hi!

I am just curious what folks think will happen.

One fleet will win with some losses, the other will be completely destroyed. That's the best prediction I can give you from data you presented.

BR, Iztok

Anyone ever used the Lucky Rangers?

I myself haven't used them for anything other than "gifts". Never really thought they were worth the time. Now I am interested to know if they are worth keeping and using or not. 

P.S. I'll pick the Terrans just for the heck of it, though the Iconians are a sneaky bunch.   

That's the best prediction I can give you from data you presented.

Actually, it's not. This is a problem in modeling. It's true that an exact solution can't be determined from the incomplete data given, however, with a few not too unreasonable assumptions the numerical odds can indeed be calculated.

When I was taking an Electrodynamics course many years ago, I was given the problem of calculating the electromagnetic fields around a power company worker standing 10 feet from a 2KV transmission line. I had absolutely no clue how to even begin the problem. The next class the professor went over the solution. The first step was to model the power company worker as a conducting sphere 6 feet in diameter. From there it was a simple problem in geometry to arrive at the solution. The moral of the story is, when faced with an unsolvable problem, simply change the problem to the most closely related problem that you can solve.

With this in mind, I’ll go even further out on the limb and be even more specific in my prediction.

Terrans win losing 4 to 5 ships, 87.5% of the time.
Terrans win losing 3 or 6 ships, 11.5% of the time.
Any other occurrence, approximately 1% of the time.

If the Iconians actually do win, then run out and buy a lottery ticket, because it must be your lucky day.

I give it to the iconians, just a guess... but it seems to me that the 2 or 3 huge ships of the terrans will be gone after the first 3 turns, while the iconians will most likely lose 3 in the first 3 turns too, the fourth ship might just outlast the smaller terran ships, it depends on how the armor is distributed and how many large ships the terrans have

It's difficult to make a good call. The Terrans have more than twice the Iconians' firepower and more than twice their total defense. Additionally, the weapons are spread out across more ships, so losing ships won't hurt them as much. On the other hand, the Iconians are better matched in terms of equipment type - armor to defend against Terran mass drivers, while the Terrans have no protection against Iconian missiles - have almost twice the hit points, and will fire first.

It will be close, but I'm going to have to go with the Iconians.

Terrans 5
Iconians 5

I already conducted the battle 10 times. The winner won 9 times and lost once.

The Terrans have 3 Battleships with 7 BHGs, the rest are medium ships with 7 graviton or Quantum drivers.

The all have as many ZPAs as weapons

The Iconians are 4 huge hulls with 4 quantum torps except for the 48 which has 5 antimatter torps.

I'll let the conversation run a little longer before I post the results

oops sorry

Terrans 5
Iconians 5

one winner, one loser 1

I'm going to have to go with the Terrans here. I think both sides are going to lose at least one ship every round, and the Iconians have a slim chance of mopping more than 2 in some rounds.

In this case, the terrans will win due to the coding scheme used in GalCiv2 related to fleet battles. as the entire fleet focuses on a single ship until it is destroyed, the terrans will overcome the Iconians HP for each ship in 2 rounds max, causing a sig loss in overall attack power for the Iconians each time. On the other hand, the Iconians will kill 1-2 Terrans in each round due to 1-2 Iconian ships being needed to destroy each Terran ship. This will cause medium losses in attack power for the terrans each round.

the terrans will be without many of their ships, but are likely to still have enough attack power to kill that last Iconian ship, or at least cause enough damage that the last 3-4 Terran ships will be able to overcome the Iconian ships defence+HP before it wipes them out.

Iconians, but not by much. Perhaps one battered survivor. This is a battle that neither side really wins.

Terrans 7
Iconians 6

one winner, one loser 1

I agree with OZ, that I would never voluntarily participate in this battle on either side.

one winner, one loser 1

What does this mean?

I agree with OZ, that I would never voluntarily participate in this battle on either side.

Depends. If this was a fight near one of my otherwise unprotected arrays of 16 fully developed economic starbases. I would be very grateful to win even if it was a tie and I survived as attacker with a single hit point on a single ship.

Great idea Shushu.

I think I will have to go with the Terrans. They seem to have the fire power and numerical superiority. Should be enough.