Circumcision? Ouch!

I got a good chuckle out of this one KFC.

Im certainly glad I cant remember what it feels like to be cut.

that's hilarious

Im certainly glad I cant remember what it feels like to be cut.

THAT'S A GOOD THING!

I heard once of a 15 year old that had to have it done. I'm sure he wished his mom had done the New Born thing. Poor kid.

that's hilarious

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My youngest was a preemie, so they didn't have any clips small enough to circumcise him with.  We had to wait about four months...and then, oh my goodness, they had to do it by hand with no clip, it took an hour and he screamed himself raw.

I insisted on a local but they said it only takes in about half the babies.  It obviously did nothing for him.

I almost threw up from the stress of it all.  I kept saying, "How much longer?  Good grief my first son's was done in ten minutes."  hahhahahaha.  I think the Dr was about ready to kill me.

Oh Tova,

I sit here horrified at this. Your poor baby. But it's so much better than that 15 year old. I wonder if God doesn't have something in mind when he said to circumcize in 8 days? I think I heard somewhere that that is absolutely the best time.....but not sure why. Maybe those first few days they are just so numb from the birthing process that this small procedure at the time is nothing in comparison?

I think you should have been far away when this happened. It was probably harder on you than the baby.

Child mutilation... what fun. What's next, the fires of Moloch? Roasted child with a side order of pickled foreskins, anybody?

and this is coming from someone who has not had to make that decision. It's not an easy one.

I can only speak for myself, but we thought long and hard before we made such a decision when our first boy was born. I absolutely believe it was the best decision.

The kicker for me was my dad who was not circumcised and who rarely gives me advice on such matters spoke up and said he would highly recommend we circumcised our newborn son. He had his own sons done and for a reason....nuff said.

I'll leave the medical reasons for the professionals but I do know an elderly kind nurse who had had seven children of her own also highly recommended this procedure to my young self. She had seen too many older children/teens have to go thru it later, and it was not a pleasant sight.

And so the humour of the joke has vanished!   


KFC I thought the joke was funny and had a good laugh.   

Not an easy decision to make... No, I suppose it's always somewhat difficult to decide to make a child bleed in the interests of its parents warped sense of humor. Or perhaps not, since such mutilation is considered 'necessary' to the well-being of such parents - not the well-being of the child, mind you, but the well-being of those besotted with the good opinion of others.

Such a loving mother li'l Ethan must have...

Tell me something, 'Christian'. Why are you continuing this barbarous and wholly unnecessary surgical procedure, which was originally (if the Bible is to be believed) the symbol of God's covenant with ancient Israel? Are you a Jew? No. Is your first born son a Jew? No. Was your father a Jew? No.

What you are is a child molester, a child victimizer. And, since the assumption behind this gross, disgusting, ritual is that by doing it in infancy you spare an adolescent its pain, perhaps you can tell me on what ground you make the assumption that any self-aware male adolescent would want it done in the first place?

You might also want to consider, before rejoicing in the humor of the situation, that by circumsing your boy you have contributed to the onset of considerable difficulty in his future sexual relations. The circumsised glans is both prone to infection and a contributing factor in premature ejaculation (something I'm told is a problem to which American men are peculiarly prone).

You might also want to consider the possibility of your having considerably increased the chances of his early and painful death: in Britain the medical profession regards circumcision as a contributing factor in the onset of testicular cancer.

My, doesn't your boy have a lot to look forward to? Premature ejaculation and early death, all brought on by the fascination his child molesting mother feels for a Jewish ritual of no medical value whatsoever.

And to add insult to injury, as a person who has seen more than one penis in his time both cut and uncut, I can tell you that there are few things as ugly as a dick without a foreskin.

What a recommendation for 'Christian' motherhood you are, KFC. And won't your boy be grateful? Of course he will.

http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Cancertype/Testes/Causesdiagnosis/Causes

http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/Mosby_factsheets/testicular_cancer.html

http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/testicularca.html

http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2677

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/3244559.stm

http://www.aicr.org.uk/TesticularCancerFaqs.stm

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:hiijBhphOyEJ:www.cancerresearchuk.org/aboutus/publications/pubmisc/pdfs/leaflet_testicular.pdf+causes+testicular+cancer&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=8

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/caco/2002/00000013/00000001/00385916;jsessionid=fv9idlwqj59.alice

Britain the medical profession regards circumcision as a contributing factor in the onset of testicular cancer.

I could find no reference to circumcision being attributed as a causeor otherwise to cancer of the testes at any of the above sites. Can you put up a link for reading on it YRH? It will make interesting reading.

I did however find this:Penile Cancer


What is the penis?

The penis is the external male genital organ. Inside the penis is the urethra, the tube through which urine and semen exit the body. The head of the penis is called the glans and at birth the glans is covered by a loose piece of skin, known as foreskin.



What is cancer of the penis?

Cancer of the penis occurs when malignant cells develop in the skin or tissue of the penis. Cancer of the penis is very rare, but it is still very important to be aware of the signs and symptoms. If penile cancer is detected early, the chances of a complete recovery are very good. Penile cancer can develop anywhere on the penis, but most develop under the foreskin, in men who have not been circumcised or on the glans.

What is the cause of penile cancer?

The exact cause of cancer of the penis is unknown, however, uncircumcised men over the age of 40 are at greater risk of the disease. This does not mean that being circumcised will prevent penile cancer but it is thought to be a contributing factor.

What are the signs and symptoms of penile cancer?

Penile cancer usually arises under the foreskin, in men who have not been circumcised. Symptoms of penile cancer may include any of the following:

A reddish, velvety rash.
A painless growth, ulcer or sores on the penis, especially on the foreskin or glans.
A persistent, foul smelling discharge under the foreskin.
A wart like growth.
Any change in colour on the penis or the foreskin.
In advanced stages the lymph nodes in the groin may be swollen. This is a less common symptom.
There are other genital conditions, which may also have these symptoms such as genital herpes or syphilis. It is therefore important to discuss any unusual penile changes to your doctor or visit a G.U.M. clinic.

Am I at risk of getting penile cancer?

The following risk factors may put you more at risk of developing cancer of the penis:

Men who cannot (or do not) wash under their foreskins regularly. Uncircumcised men should wash daily under the foreskin to help prevent penile cancer. This is probably why men who have been circumcised, have improved hygiene and therefore are unlikely to develop penile cancer.

Men who are infected with a H.P.V. (Human Papilloma Virus), such as genital warts.
Men over 40, penile cancer is extremely rare in the under 40’s.
Men who smoke.
A delay in seeking advice would allow the disease to become more advanced. If you have any of the symptoms of penile cancer you must contact your doctor.

Is there anything I can do to prevent penile cancer?

As viral infections such as genital warts can increase the risk of penile cancer you should always practice safe sex. You should also practice good hygiene and always wash your penis thoroughly, especially under your foreskin. You should quit smoking, as this is an excellent way for preventing many diseases, including penile cancer.

As some men with penile cancer have had no known risk factors, it is not always possible to completely prevent the disease.

How is penile cancer diagnosed?

The doctor will usually begin by examining your penis if he/she suspects penile cancer you will be referred to a hospital for further tests. The first test you may have will be a biopsy, a small sample of the affected area is removed for analysis under a microscope. You may also require a ultrasound or a CT scan for a final diagnosis and to see if the cancer has spread.

What is the treatment for penile cancer?

If penile cancer is caught early enough, circumcision may be effective. In further stages a part of the penis may need to be removed. If penile cancer is small, treatment should not have any affect on your sex life or your ability to urinate. Radiotherapy or chemotherapy may also be used to kill cancer cells and shrink tumours. Your doctor will help you decide which treatment is more suitable for you.

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I can tell you that there are few things as ugly as a dick without a foreskin.

I think that is a matter of opinion - yours

My opinion I think they look better without foreskin - they look more potent, verile and powerful than a penis with a foreskin - a penis with a foreskin looks like it is shy and afraid to get up and do the job. my opinion.

Simon, good job with the research. Way to be on top of the medical world. Way to not know what you are ever talking about. I swear the Mcmullen family is perfect. Once again talking about the kids of others. You did your future kids a favor by choosing not to have them. And why such harsh words from a person of deformity such as yourself? Is it anger or years of frustration that is talking? Tell me you really didn't mean what you said in the above. I am curious.

No, little-whip. Have you ever looked into why they recomend it in modern medical practice? Or are you just trying to take a cheap shot at others? Either case, let me help you.

PRO:
Studies in US Army hospitals involving more than 200,000 infant boys confirmed greater than a tenfold increase in urinary tract infections in uncircumcised male infants compared to those who had been circumcised.


Circumcision prevents the growth of bacteria under the foreskin and this, in turn, protects male infants against urinary tract infection. The high incidence of urinary tract infections in uncircumcised boys has also been found to be accompanied by an increased incidence of other significant infections such as bacteremia (bacterial infection of the bloodstream) and meningitis (infection of the covering of the brain). The protective effect of circumcision may thus extend to a number of infectious diseases.

There is a higher risk of gonorrhea and inflammation of the urethra (the tube that carries the urine from the bladder outside) in uncircumcised men. It has also been reported that other sexually transmitted diseases (such as chancroid, syphilis, human papillomavirus, and herpes simplex virus type 2 infection) are more frequent in uncircumcised men.


Circumcision prevents the growth under the foreskin of the agents that cause sexually transmitted diseases. Removal of the foreskin may provide some measure of protection from these diseases to males and their mates.


The predicted lifetime risk of cancer of the penis in an uncircumcised man is 1 in 600 in the US. Cancer of the penis carries a mortality rate as high as 25%. This cancer occurs almost exclusively in uncircumcised men.

CON:
Circumcision increases the chance of meatitis (inflammation of the opening of the penis).

I can go into further detail if you would like. Let me know, I did write this to further your education on the topic.

Sabrina and Simon,

I hope this was educational to you. This is how I made my decision, I try to use facts instead of making up fiction. Simon, you are unclear in your documentation. "Britain the medical profession regards circumcision as a contributing factor in the onset of testicular cancer". Where did you find this, I looked through the BMA and what I found is that there isn't enough scientific documentation to validate a position for the doctors. I did however find American Medical documentation that proves you wrong. You can hide behind the BMA if you would like, but who are we kidding the British can not even hold a candle to the US when it comes to technology and the growth of technological advances. Obviously. I am still waiting for a response from the above. Please respond soon, I am a very busy person.

Well, that must be the end of the McMullen’s. I thought it was a good joke. Somebody out there please tell me why these two have such a self-holy attitude and must continue to degrade others. I really am curious. Even Sabrina refers to Simon as He or Him. After reading a few threads, I find it humorous that people still allow them to spread their filth. Or do you allow them to just because it is good comic relief? Humans enjoy others around them who are worse off then they are. That's why there is only bad news on the news. That can be found in any psychology book. I am just curious, call it a psych experiment.

Sabrina,

There is not much more to say, because you have nothing to say. Admit you were making comments based solely on your subjective thoughts and that you and your emperor were wrong. This is the time where you leave your pride at the door and eat a plate of humble pie. You know nothing of what you talk about, and why is the emperor hiding from my questions? Is he thinking? Please let him know, from one man of science to another, if he has any further questions I would love to answer them for him. Also, to put on the record Sabrina, I did not ever state this was a topic of persuasion did I? This was supposed to be a clarification of factual documentation.

I am sorry you are so stubborn. I would love to help you with that though. You still need to answer a few questions from the above. Let us start with where the hostilities and anger originate from. Can we do that?

I do await an apology. Be polite.

I was circumsized. I don't feel mutilated or less of a man. I've never understood those freaks who go around trying to restore their foreskin as if it's the lack of a few mm of skin that's made them inadequate.

Mistakes do happen, sure, but a man's got a bigger chance of being hit by a bus than having a botched operation.

And this is why I so rarely participate in conversations regarding children because some people seem to feel that since I don't have any of my own, my opinion is not valid.

I admit to doing this. However, I do not think this is an instance where it really matters. What do parents draw on when they make the decision of having their first boy circumcised? They have the same experience of a person who does not have children.

A lot of people have the same view as you hold LW. But I don't feel mutilated either. I'm not certain whether I'd be better of uncut, or otherwise, but I'm cut now and it never crossed my mind wishing it was back.

Aesthetically, I suppose I do have a pretty penis so perhaps it wasn't a total loss. I'll spare you all the picture though. Besides, I don't think your screen is big enough to show it completely without scrolling   

And if you believe that one...

Sabrina, do not waste my time with junk internet links that go nowhere. If you have something on your mind then by all means say it. If you still believe that you should stand up for yourself AND the emperor then do so. Pride does some amazing things, does it not? Just I ask you to have a little more class then to send foolish links. Can you do that for me? Your pie is getting cold Sabrina. Where is that emperor, thinking still?

Xythe, to answer your question. When I had to make the decision I did my research, talked to doctors, looked at the options. Every doctor I talked to was in 100% support of the operation. They even encouraged it, thank goodness they did not work under the BMA.

And it is amazing what Photoshop can really do huh?

Sabrina, I must say your research is only half done and half intelligent. I must say though you are very good at pulling half a story out of the air. You have successfully misquoted and misread almost half a dozen sources. You have just opened yourself up just like your timid husband. I do like however, you defending him to the death. Even if you have to defy modern science by misquoting it. Impressive.
I must be truthful to you right now, I am a developmental engineer by trade and I am very busy, but I do promise you I will get back in near future to show you your mistakes. I have yet to read that nonsense, but by reading what I did I can tell you did not check your sources. You must do a better job defending your pride. I though do dread and look forward to reading your trash.
Yes, if it makes you feel so much better about yourself you can use the word whimpering, and no Simon does not have anything better to do with his time. He has written over 80 articles in his time on this site, and the both of you complain about not being able to hold a job. Please expand if I have missed the truth. You two are my humor at the end of the day, even though it does seem "yawn-inspiring" to someone as deep as yourself. I find it fascinating that two individuals can hold on to that last strand of truth, even if it is only a cognitive mirage. I enjoy talking to you, but please do not take these next couple of days as hiding, I am making a break through in infrared technology. I would love to talk about that if you would like as well.
If you want to fix your article, start with the American Academy of Pediatrics. You missed the facts. That is the only part I read, for now. It is not to late to stop your nonsense, eat the pie Sabrina.

eat the pie Sabrina.

This is hilarious. I reckon that line will become my brand new favourite non-sequitor insult.

Insulter: "Nyer, you suck"
Response: "Eat the pie, [insert name here]!"

the Academy concluded that there was no absolute medical indication for routine circumcision.

I think the key word here would be absolute. There may be a medical advantage, but it's not confirmed. Notice they don't say it causes any real harm either.

Who in the hell is wallace stevens? *snort* Sounds like someone who should be very concerned about circumcision. I think for him it would amount to being scalped.

Sounds like someone who should be very concerned about circumcision. I think for him it would amount to being scalped.

Buwhahahahaha. Baker, YOU SO FUNNY!

Cactoblasta, very smart. The key word is absolute, maybe there is not an absolute advantage, but there is an advantage. Something I found on the Academy's page, Sabrina please do better research I am becoming tired with your half efforts:

As noted above, research studies suggest that there may be some medical benefits to circumcision. These include the following:

A lower risk of urinary tract infections (UTIs). A circumcised infant boy has about a 1 in 1,000 chance of developing a UTI in the first year of life; an uncircumcised infant boy has about a 1 in 100 chance of developing a UTI in the first year of life.

A lower risk of getting cancer of the penis. However, this type of cancer is very rare in both circumcised and uncircumcised males.

A slightly lower risk of getting sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including HIV, the AIDS virus.

Prevention of foreskin infections.

Prevention of phimosis, a condition in uncircumcised males that makes foreskin retraction impossible.

Easier genital hygiene.
Just as there are reasons parents may choose circumcision, they are reasons why parents may choose NOT to have their son circumcised:

Possible risks. As with any surgery, circumcision has some risks. Complications from circumcision are rare and usually minor. They may include bleeding, infection, cutting the foreskin too short or too long, and improper healing.

The belief that the foreskin is necessary to protect the tip of the penis. When removed, the tip of the penis may become irritated and cause the opening of the penis to become too small. Rarely, this can cause urination problems that may need to be surgically corrected.

Some people believe that circumcision makes the tip of the penis less sensitive, causing a decrease in sexual pleasure later in life. This has not been proven by any medical or psychological study.

Sabrina, do you notice how it swings from the scientific for the Pros to circumcision, to "some people believe, the belief...." for the Cons? Please acknowledge that you can see that. Or deny, which you probably will, and then send me on another goose chase.

And for the little boy comment, if you knew anything about me you would not say that, but I will forgive your ignorance.

I stand corrected, you do not complain about holding a job, you complain about getting one. For the official record, I am not so aware about the consulting world, but I do know how it runs in the engineering world. Foresight is the key to holding a continuous job Sabrina, and planning is such a wonderful thing. But, what does the "little boi" know. I get paid by the year, not the hour.

Also, who said anything about hiding? I am not hiding. Please tell me how I can fix this for you. I use the same name every time, it should be fairly clear I am the same person. Also, the reference to KFC, please expand on that for me. I think you are confused, again, let me help you with that.

Bakerstreet, who are you? And you understand names deserve a capital letter, or do you? I guess that deserves the all intelligent *snort* back, does it not? Thanks for coming out.

"And you understand names deserve a capital letter, or do you?"

You can't be THAT slow, can you, Richard?

Oh, dear wallace:

And you understand names deserve a capital letter, or do you? I guess that deserves the all intelligent *snort* back, does it not?

You're pretty much just trolling around here . . . and nobody likes a troll.

Eat the pie, bitch!

(With thanks to cactoblasta for making that new epithet sound so appealing)

Eat the pie

This is brilliant.